Here's my suggestion:
Level 50 job item: Need to be at least lvl 40 of said job to be able to greed.
Level 40 job item: Need to be at least lvl 30 of said job to be able to greed.
..and so on.
I think it'd be a righteous privilege to only be able to greed on an item if you can actually use it, or use it in the near future. If everyone passes the item (when not being able to greed), then it'd be distributed randomly for those who want it purely out of greed regardless of what level they are. Those who are playing that job and need it, will still be the only ones being able to need them, which is good.
I am playing and gearing up each and every of my jobs with whatever equipment I can get for them. It's sad that I have to compete against these people who have that item job at lvl 1 and who will possibly never even use the items which I could put to good use when I already have the class leveled high enough to use the said items. Surely you can exchange the items for company seals, but the amount of seals you get per item is so little that you can get more seals by participating in 1 FATE, so it's a waste anyways.
You can call me selfish, but I think going through the trouble to level these jobs to a certain level has to have a higher right to loot an item over those who haven't even got the jobs unlocked.
Looting rules.
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09-30-2013, 06:54 AMNasibihcLooting rules.
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09-30-2013, 07:00 AMJinko
People turn in gear to FC for seals also, so I don't think this would work, if you can need then need, if not then its luck I'm afraid and you dont' deserve it any more than anyone else.
This is coming from someone who has all jobs as 50. -
09-30-2013, 07:01 AMatomicdeath
I dont see a problem with the need/greed system as is.
Need means you can use it.
Greed means you want it.
not rocket science here. -
09-30-2013, 07:04 AMShadowblind
If there is something for your alt class you want and no class of that type in the instance, kindly ask if you can have the items should they appear. Certainly there will be people who disagree, but I've been in a couple dungeons where people ask this and most times the others have no problem with it.
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09-30-2013, 08:50 AMStone151
I was thinking maybe something like a system that is Need, Greed(50), Greed, Pass?
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09-30-2013, 08:53 AMBattlewrench
Well I'm doing runs right now for a level 44 dungeon to get gear for the future vanity system......silly yea but it gives me exp and I want it. I greed so what? If someone needs it...well then they'll need.
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09-30-2013, 09:29 AMZyeriis
It's called greed for a reason.
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09-30-2013, 10:00 AMamnie
the difference being that people still NEED on an item even though they don't NEED it. they NEED on items that aren't actually upgrades just because they can.
why does a PUG deserve to roll on some item he will .not. use and just trash for seals when someone else in the group may in fact be leveling up a pug right now?
why should said pug have more rights to exchanging the unneeded (!) gear for seals than the rest of the group just because he can?
it does not check if people actually NEED it, it just checks if they have the same class as the item.
we should be adult enough to not be babysat for everything. SE doesn't want people to 'ninja' gear that they can't use (though they can ask if they are allowed to need if it's possible - in other games)
but at the same time they DON'T allow us to blacklist idiots or force us to keep quests in our tracker forever if we don't do them right away, won't do anything against dungeon leecher and all that junk... -
09-30-2013, 10:58 AMSylve
If you want gear for an alt Job, why not just ... *gasp* run the required dungeon on that Job since you have it leveled, and then you can use the NEED button!
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09-30-2013, 11:02 AMVmage
I'd love some in-game loot options other than the default.
I don't think it's very high priority though, and most likely won't ever happen. -
09-30-2013, 11:05 AMTupsiIssue is and I know you more than likely ignored this on purpose - you can't need if your class can't immediately use it even though you actually need it for another class. I honestly wish SE went with their own system for loot. :\Quote:
Originally Posted by Battlewrench
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09-30-2013, 11:09 AMHawklaserThat is just people taking advantage of the system for greed. Should see how many people need on crafting or vanity items in a dungeon instead of greed on things that most truly do not need outside of greed reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by amnie
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09-30-2013, 11:26 AMObysucaHad this happen way too many times :/ Usually it's when a healer hits need on a piece of gear I actually needed as blm, but just because it has like 2-3 mnd on it, they're able to hit need -.- One time back at lvl 34, a whm in my pt got 3 pieces of battlemage in 1 run. He didn't even equip it.... I've also had a 50 whm, in lvl 30 gear during Brayflox, hit need on battlemage too, seriously?Quote:
Originally Posted by amnie
What would be an amazing idea is if you were wearing better gear than what dropped, you shouldn't be able to hit need on it. -
09-30-2013, 11:34 AMSylve.... And how exactly are you supposed to get vanity sets then? Such as Battlemages, Foestrikers, Acolytes many others that look pretty awesome.Since under your proposal, I can't roll need on 50 Monk in Darklight for that Colliseum chestpiece, even though i want it for vanity purposes, and no one else can quip it in the group, it just goes to the void then i suppose?Quote:
Originally Posted by Obysuca
No, no, no. The system is fine as it is.
Need = Your current class/role can equip it.
Greed = Your current class cannot use it, but you want it for an alt job/seals/Materia
Pass = You don't want or need this at all. (Or cant roll because unique)
That WHM in lvl 30 gear needing on Battlemage is fine. He was likely using the gear for Materia Soulbinding because he wanted to make some Gil, and also wanted Battlemages for when we get Vanity slots. -
09-30-2013, 11:40 AMTupsiUh..you do realize those aren't vanity sets, right? lol they're amazing for their level for people leveling and actually need them to use..as gear for their jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylve
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09-30-2013, 12:03 PMObysucaLvl that job or don't. Actually needing the gear for a job you're lvling > being a greedy ass who will never use it except for looksQuote:
Originally Posted by Sylve
Hit greed on it then if no one else can use it, you know, like normal, nice, people do. -
09-30-2013, 12:41 PMShikyoI agree i like the system its simple all people have to do is be freakin reasonable and considerate. Although i know that is too much to ask aholesQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinko
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09-30-2013, 12:49 PMSylveUnique appearance found nowhere else? Check.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tupsi
That makes it a candidate for a vanity set. And I am just as entitled as you to roll need for it if i don't have it, for that purpose. Which is what it boils down to.
You have a purpose in equipping it for stats.
I have a purpose in equipping it for appearance.
Your purpose is not of greater or lesser importance to my purpose. I also have 3 other jobs i can use that set piece for.
And if I'm there on a class that can roll need on it, and i don't possess it, you're damn straight I'm rolling need on it. I worked just as much for any given drop as you did.
If you want specific drops, for a specific reason, be it stats or vanity and you aren't on the right class for it, just say so. I've never met a DF party that didn't just let me have the Greed roll if i specifically requested it.
A 'vanity set' is any gear with an appearance I like. Hell, i love most of the Raptorskin set, and keep it in my bags for strolling around town. That makes it a vanity set, not to you, but for me.
Bottom line is, if you want something, you do the dungeon on the required class to Need roll it as a way to mostly guarantee you will get it. Or you run with a premade group with the intent for you to pick up that item. -
09-30-2013, 01:15 PMRadunas
The system is fine, you just need to play with better people. Playing a PUG doesn't mean you can get butthurt and demand SE make more 'rules' for gear ninjas because you didn't get something you wanted. It is a thing everyone has dealt with from time to time, and honestly, won't you be running the dungeon again?
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10-01-2013, 05:29 AMamnieQuote:
Originally Posted by Obysuca
thing is.. people would still abuse the system. they'd just go into the instance with lvl 15 gear or something...
why of course. but that's the thing. people will ALWAYS abuse these systems. the situation right now is that people will hit need as soon as they see they CAN hit it. need no longer means what it actually means (that you NEED something)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawklaser
it means 'hey your class can - technically - use this so you might as well just grab it even if you wear gear 10 lvl higher.
surely that would still happen if need wasn't locked to 'right class', but then at least everybody would have the chance to ninja with equal opportunity.
I see way more ninja-looting in this game than I see in games where need is not blocked. and I think some people don't even do it on purpose. they probably really think that need means they need it and don't even pay attention to what they're actually rolling for. I'm fairly sure the real problem isn't even the 'ninja looter' who will just need for seals or whatever, but the people new to MMOs who don't know the 'old school' need-greed-pass system. -
10-01-2013, 05:40 AMCrica
if you want to be able to have the BEST possible chance to win gear in Duty Finder groups, play the class the gear is for, you know, LIKE THE LOOT RULES ARE SET UP FOR...
otherwise, form your own groups and use any loot rules you want to -
10-01-2013, 05:52 AMKirschey
I generally run Sastasha, Copperbell, and Tam-Tara on my 50 WHM since queues are instant. I roll need on the acolyte gear because I want it for my L16 ARN.
I don't want to sit in queue as a dps for 45min+ just to roll on the same gear.
Sure some people hit need when they don't actually "need" it, but it's a PUG. This is common. Don't get so upset about it. Maybe do some /shout groups with specific loot rules you like having set up.
I'm actually happy FF14 has this system in place, instead of other games where any class could roll on any item and you had to say in party chat "wait i need that" and just PRAY no one else would decide to take it for random reasons.