What if, instead of summoning egi's, when you defeat the primals you get to morph into a smaller version of them and utilize some of their power. I think i remember a previous final fantasy character going this route. Like shang sung from mortal combat, cept using avatar powers.
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09-30-2013, 06:47 AMatomicdeathPossible solution to summoner
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09-30-2013, 08:14 AMmountaindew
You do realize FFXIV ARR is already released right?
You do realize that Sumoner class is already released right?
They are not going to do a whole revamp of a single class when it is already released and so many Summoners are 50 already... -
09-30-2013, 09:14 AMatomicdeathYou do realize that there are alot of discussions going on about how alot of people are disappointed with how summoners function right?Quote:
Originally Posted by mountaindew
You do realize they messed up the game once already right?
You do realize that they did a whole revamp because it sucked so bad right? -
09-30-2013, 09:30 AMUmbral
Except there are also a TON of people who love the smn class right now. SE wont revamp, end of question. The reason they did ARR was because the negative feedback was overwhelming. A few QQ threads on an english forum wont change a thing. Reroll or buck up kiddo.
Ill refer you to the "Happy SMN" thread. Yeahok. they will change it. -
09-30-2013, 09:37 AMatomicdeath
I can refer you to more threads about unhappy summoners that you can about happy summoners.
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09-30-2013, 10:10 AMRyuujinZERO
Your suggestion requires numerous entirely new art assets, animations, game mechanics, and likely a fair few script hooks within the engine.
This is the kind've stuff usually reserved for content patch, and significant enough to justify creating a whole new job class to implement. Contrary to Hollywood's depictions, programming is not like wizardry, where a guy taps the keyboard in mystic patterns and magically the desired thing happens there and then. It's on THAT basis the idea can be fairly safely discarded, at least within the context of replacing the entire summoner class with it -
09-30-2013, 10:17 AMatomicdeathWas just comming up with something else.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyuujinZERO
Its pretty obvious to me that the way the class plays now, anything else would be better. In a perfect world they would just rename the class and give us a more final fantasyish summoner when they can think of a decent one. -
09-30-2013, 11:06 AMArdan
They could have done what they did for summoner in FFXI. I'm glad they didn't because summoner in FFXI was terrible. Back in the days of the 75 cap, you were pretty much forced to main heal from level 10 to level 75. For those who did suffer through that got to play as a mediocre damage dealer. The avatars Odin and Alexander didn't help much either since then you were brought along for only Perfect Defense.
Summoner in FFXIV is probably the most I've had as a pet class. The only complaints I have is the pet controls and balance between the 3 Egi. If you're unhappy playing as the class, then stop playing it. -
09-30-2013, 12:26 PMUmbral
Of course there are more unsatisfied threads. The people that enjoy the class (There are many) are playing and not sitting on the forums whining. I cant understand why people are wasting time talking about this. The class performs incredibly well and fit into the game structure quite snugly. Sorry its not your classic summoner, don't be afraid of change guys.
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09-30-2013, 12:28 PMatomicdeathDoes the class really deserve the title summoner? Just because it performs well doesnt mean it fits well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Umbral
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09-30-2013, 12:35 PMNoctrin
Whenever i want to feel like i'm playing an actual summoner, i just call my chocobo. I just ignore the sad truth that it's a more meaningful summon that what my summoner has.
There are SO many much better ways this could be done. The summon we learn could summon our class pet, while the previous 2 should still call the carbuncles. Our summonner pet can be like the chocobo and have a bunch of skills, stats and maybe gear we can add. You have to beat primals to unlock and upgrade certain skills. Maybe for incentive to use the other ones, having it out reserved 30% of your mp and reduces your damage by 20%. Limit break should be a powerful, real summon for x amount of time which we can control and has 3 skill uses which range from damage, support CC etc
So many better ways than just a re-skin of the same thing we had as arcanists with a negligible dmg boost and a limit break that makes sense if we were a black mage. I mean, the system is there for chocobos, how hard could it have been to give us something good. -
09-30-2013, 02:34 PMEspon
I don't think morphing into different primals really fits the Summoner class.
Personally, I want my carbuncles back. The little guy has character. Egi summons are just differently shaped rocks. -
09-30-2013, 03:35 PMglim
name this class evoker or whatever and ask them to make your version of your 'summoner' just don't be touching this one, I love this gameplay.
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09-30-2013, 04:40 PMilikeorangejuice
1. Remove the pet.. There are classes/jobs in the ff universe that constitute having a pet ala beastmaster.. A summoner is not one of those classes/jobs.
2. Make the summoner actually feel like a summoner or do what the dude above me stated :: change the job name and its aesthetics.. In its current state, it can be many things but a summoner it is not. Imo its just a half-baked warlock.
Square had the biggest opportunity to create a class/job that was not only innovate but unique. It would have been an actual ultra-high risk, ultra-high reward dps/support. Give the job actual summons that rape your mana but have looooooooooooooong ass cds and cast timers. As a ranged dps you would have to actually worry about positioning ahead of time so you can actually get your summon off. The class itself would be a change of pace for a ranged caster since you don't constantly press buttons, but instead wait for that one orgasmic moment to be able summon a fabulous hellfire towards your unfortunate enemies. If a limit break is a meteor, i don't see why in the hell this couldn't be done.
I don't expect the class to change or get reworked anytime soon though.. especially since japanese game designers nowadays have a bad habit of being backwards thinking traditionalists. -
09-30-2013, 05:47 PMMiiu
I agree about the summoner. On one side I'm glad that they didn't pull a FFXI on us let us be main healer again who occasionaly let us pull our pets. But still this class doesn't feel like a summoner at all. And I second the notion about giving us back carbuncle or at least let us still summon the little guy. I rather have him run after me instead of those sad excuse for summons. (Sorry at the people who designed them I don't mean to be an ass about it but compared to FFXI their look is just disappointing)
As for gameplay I wish the emphasise would have been more on the pets instead of being a dot machine. -
09-30-2013, 05:51 PMScherwizWhy?Quote:
Originally Posted by atomicdeath
What?Quote:
You do realize they messed up the game once already right?
See Above.Quote:
You do realize that they did a whole revamp because it sucked so bad right?
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09-30-2013, 06:42 PMtcav26My sentiments exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ardan
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09-30-2013, 06:53 PMEchoBecause people are widely known for posting when they're satisfied...Quote:
Originally Posted by atomicdeath
I like the summoner class as-is.
It's not a traditional summoner, no. I see that as a good thing.
The job would feel too much like a black mage with a pet if we had regular nukes, i.e. a "Rydia type" Summoner.
Even Scholar is distinct from a white mage with a pet since the pet is pure support/healer. It is not a "Yuna type" Summoner.
As it currently stands we're the most versatile job in the game. No other job can "fake it" and perform the other two roles in the game in an emergency. That fact won't beat end game content, but it's pretty cool and can't be ignored when seeing the whole picture. If that isn't enough, we rank near or at the top of the damage dealing classes for DPS.
It's not perfect, and I have my share of complaints about it (UI problems with dot effects, Egis are a little boring and we don't interact with them enough, Titan not useful in serious content), but as a whole it's my favorite job presently. I have never seen a suggestion for improvement that makes me go "You know, that would fix things." -
09-30-2013, 07:42 PMKeveeAnd within those threads are numerous people disagreeing with the unhappy ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by atomicdeath
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09-30-2013, 09:36 PMRhained
All i learned from this thread was i hate people who use the word "Alot"
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09-30-2013, 10:06 PMFinn_Mertens
Probably because "alot" isn't a word.
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09-30-2013, 10:18 PMRhainedI guess bold, underlined AND italics wasnt enough..... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn_Mertens
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09-30-2013, 10:26 PMReslon
Nonono, this like Alot of words.
http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.co...verything.html -
10-01-2013, 03:37 PMatomicdeathi could live with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by glim
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10-01-2013, 03:40 PMatomicdeathhuh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scherwiz
que?
mountain dew?