I run a crew on another game and here's what I'm used to when we get ready to do a run of 30 people or more.
First thing I do is I look at who is applying to come with me on the run as a pick up. I can see their stats and I can job them and assign them their role when they enter. Once the crew is well filled, I have macroed a message that kinda looks like:
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If you don't have at least 2 hours freed up please leave now. I won't be mad at you. However, if you afk without a word during the next 2 hours, if you think you can sit at your position and pretend to play it will not work. {This person} is MAA and he will be making sure you are at the job. If he determines that you are AFK, or pretending, you will be ejected from the party and promptly blacklisted, which means that I can no longer receive your applications for any of our runs in the future.
Let's make it a good run! We shove off in 5 mins so grab a drink and potty now please.
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Duty Finder has NONE of these controls. I can't pick and choose who I job, I can't put them on the job that I think will help the success rate of the team. I can't kick people who afk and, even if they stay for most of the runtime, they can say at the end "Sorry guys it's my bed time and I have to leave." They can go and screw everyone out of an hour's play time. If they say anything at all. Many folks will get to the end and having siphoned off enough tomestones for them to be satisfied they'll leave.
Don't think this won't happen, it will. It will happen constantly.
I will NEVER do Crystal Tower Duty Finder because I can already see this happening. If you thin3 CM duty finder is bad, imagine trying to control a run where only 1/2 the people are doing more than auto-follow or auto-attack in hope of free tokens/drops.
I see it all the time but at least most of the time I have a good amount of control. These people have no vested interest in putting up anything more than the very minimal effort in 8 man parties and Crystal Tower will multiply this by 3.
Duty Finder Crystal Tower: Abandon all Hope Ye who Enter
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09-29-2013, 09:43 PMHiirNoivlDuty Finder Crystal Tower: Abandon all Hope Ye who Enter
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09-29-2013, 09:49 PMFeilina
Do it the classic way! Search your group via LFG and all your makros will work once again.
Becoming lazy and moaning about it isn't the way to choose... -
09-29-2013, 09:51 PMBetelgeuzahSheesh, don't say things like that to an MMO player... You are hurting their very essence with such harsh words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Feilina
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09-29-2013, 09:52 PMHiirNoivl
Gotta love people who don't read to the end of the post. *eyeroll*
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09-29-2013, 10:07 PMGiyari
Personally I'll use DF for CT to see how it is and learn fight mechanics. It's better to look bad in front of strangers then look like a complete idiot on your own server.
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09-29-2013, 10:42 PMJarlax
This is no joke, I use the DF to get a mediocre group on purpose so I have to try harder and get better faster, just tossing that in there and doesn't apply to this conversation 8p.
The duty finder wasn't really designed with raid leader options, I mean it is cross server.
I think you may have a better chance asking for a raid interface window, with all these options you mentioned for forming groups "outside of the DF". A cross server interface like what you are suggesting would be a nightmare to try to build, I know hell, I can program server side code.
If I could have a WHM interface wish list from SE, the first thing I would ask for is the ability to organize the placement of other players in my party in the party interface window. You know, to move the tanks to the top , and together, so I am not going cross eyed trying to watch one at the top and bottom on my 32in 1080p display. -
09-29-2013, 10:47 PMAlise
S.So.. to join a party in game nowadays need to fill in an application first?
Nah, just kidding. I know what you meant, but the word "application" make it sound too serious. -
09-29-2013, 11:07 PMHiirNoivl
It's called application in the game because the term for DF in that game is "Jobbing" so yeah you "apply" for a job in that game. But playing with semantics does not do anything to take away from my prediction that DF crystal tower will make DF Titan look like teatime in the park.
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09-30-2013, 12:10 AMArchonaOpen your party window menu and use the Up/Down arrow keys on the bottom left to reorganize your party to your liking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarlax
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Ontopic...
I believe CT will basically be very simple to complete, on a level similar to LFR probably. The gear within is probably ilvl80 (it is meant as a stepping stone to BCOB), so people in Coil gear will already outgear it, so making it a very difficult dungeon is kinda pointless. The ilvl gap between Darklight and Coil is 20, but between Darklight and CT is only 10, so even objectively speaking, it must be easier?) 24 players in Duty Finder will lead to problems like you've imagined, which will turn it into something like Titan HM, where 90% of groups will disband upon first wipe when its clear success is not assured, or it will be faceroll like AK/CM/Praetorium and just become the next place on the list to farm for gear. Being a Duty Finder raid, there shouldn't be a lock out on loot either, so groups will be able to repeatedly farm it.
I am curious that if the group must split into 3 parties at some point in CT, then will we be bringing 3-6 tanks/healers? The ilvl/difficulty of the new 4 man dungeon will have a bearing on all of this too of course, I just don't have enough information about that yet to make any guesses. If it lasts around 2 hours and requires 24 people, I believe Square would allow us to find new members if some drop out.
In before the whining about CT sale runs begin, lol. -
09-30-2013, 12:21 AMKypYou can adjust the party display order in the party window using the arrows at the bottom left. Only affects your displayQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarlax
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09-30-2013, 12:58 AMHiirNoivl
Yoshi mentioned that indeed there would be six tanks six healers and 12 DPS...DF insures there will be 0 organization of such an unwieldy party set up. As it is Tanks take a minute to decide who is MT and which healer cures whom but can you imagine the confusion when someone thinks they're MT but doesn't tell anyone? or the overhealing and death to result when two WHMs cure the same person and neglect others completely?
I know from experience : You assign vital roles first to people who you know and who are experienced then you "job" the rest. There needs to be One Cook in the kitchen, not six, providing direction which makes the run easier for everyone.
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09-30-2013, 01:30 AMKintt
Have they said Crystal Tower will be DF enabled?
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09-30-2013, 01:41 AMArchonaYes I believe it was mentioned in an interview or a live letter that CT will be available through DF.Quote:
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09-30-2013, 09:42 AMSylvanna
Yup, you can search for your pug groups in the DF.
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09-30-2013, 09:13 PMTirionCrey
If you want to DF Crystal Tower in the first place and expect a well organized and strategized run...then you are deluded.
Whatever this game is you are refering to, it is an exception and that's not how these mechanics work in something like DF. RaidFinder in WoW is the exact same thing. You can't control who is joining, you can't tell them what to do and nobody is gonna listen anway. The only difference is...you can kick people if enough people vote for them, but as soon as at least 3ppl vote against the kick, he won't be kicked...most people prevent this from happening by just joining RaidFinder with 3 friends...
To be honest...build up shout groups...you can control who is coming as what job, what their role is gonna be etc...
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09-30-2013, 09:34 PMHiirNoivl
omg Tirion why are you so obsessed with me.