Happy SMN Thread!

Okay, I've seen so much of "How sucky SMN is" type of thread, so I want to start something for those who are satisfied with the class and share thoughts on how we can make the most out of it.

I'm a level 34 SMN, planning on sticking to it despite of the disappointment people show about that class.

This thread is for sharing techniques, tips, strategies on how to make the most of the SMN Class :) ;)

an unpopular opinion? be gone! be gone from this depths you vlie heathen, my unquestionable knowledge from random fresh level 50 summoners that I see on my 196th ifrit ''farm'' repels me from your blasphemy! they suck and I have data to back it up!11

but yeah.. summoners are more than fine. I might see a nerf.

summoner, if you want to call it that, is a useful job.

It just aint a summoner.

Always loved the summoner job in the final fantasy series. Although it's different than the traditional summoner, I rather like the changes they made for this class in FFXIV.

Good to know that guys!
Now let's start with the "Bonus Stats". What do you guys prefer to invest it on? All for INT? I've interviewed some LVL50 Summoners go for All VIT for more survivability in the end game.
What about you guys? My bonus stats as of now are all Int. :)

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Originally Posted by Priemo

Good to know that guys!
Now let's start with the "Bonus Stats". What do you guys prefer to invest it on? All for INT? I've interviewed some LVL50 Summoners go for All VIT for more survivability in the end game.
What about you guys? My bonus stats as of now are all Int. :)

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All INT.

VIT isn't needed.

All VIT? o.0; Theres something I've never heard of...

All INT for me. I actually sank 5 of my 30 points in PIE early on, but plan to change that sometimes in the near future. I'll be sitting on the seals for it once I start leveling some other classes. All dem fates.

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Originally Posted by atomicdeath

summoner, if you want to call it that, is a useful job.

It just aint a summoner.

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Yup I agree. This is my opinion on the subject.

I love Smn! 'Cept for Ifrit Egi...

I hate you, Ifrit egi... go die in a fire. >.<

Which pet do you want, Red Sticks, Chicken Nuggets or Abomination Parrot?

Red Sticks is currently useless once your 50
Chicken Nuggets is currently pretty useless once your 50

You only pretty much use Abomination Parrot at 50 onwards for the extra DoT timer and auto pew pew!

I'm pretty happy with the class (mechanics). Also I don't see a problem with how the summons look.

Don't get me wrong though, I understand the frustration if you try to compare FFXI and FFXIV - the summons here do not compare looks wise.

I am happy with how the class plays. Not happy with the current pet control system, very hard to use and the look at the Engines. I choose Summoner because I thought the Engine are gonna be epic once you summon, turn out the let down though.

ifirit is still good post 50 with trash mobs, only use garuda for bosses, and first time I ran through the praetorium (w/e its called) our tanks left at the last boss but it was me and 2 other smn and we all used titan to tank and won lol

Anyone got any thoughts about the viability of splitting attributes between int and mind?

I really want to be able to use both scholar AND summoner so that I can switch between DPS or healer role depending on the needs of my friends and company-mates, as well as to give myself extra flexibility in the field. But you have the attribute straight-jacket, that summoner needs int and scholar mind, if I split the attributes would it be a serious detriment to progression play?

Love my SMN.

On the topic of stat points. Because I also love my SCH, I put everything in MND. I had everything in INT before but even on SMN a full INT boost is such a minimal boost to damage that really it wasn't worth it. Even the extra MND for my SMN's Physics was noticeable. All MND for me. Full out ONLY SMN people I would still say INT is the way to go though.

Lemme just check if i'm doing my role as a SMN right, in dungeons and boss fights I always keep my DoTs applied to enemies and while waiting spam Ruin I. (Because I'm still level 35, so I only have Bio 2 > Miasma > Bio > Thunder > Virus [I use this on bosses or tough enemies only])

As I'm waiting for the DoTs, I spam 1 or 2 Ruin I, Aetherflow (when available to keep MP in check) and energy Drain. Is that okay?

I'm still new about pet positioning so I just put them on the side so they won't be caught by AoE.

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Originally Posted by Priemo

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Spamming Rune at your level is ok but only use 2 if you want a quick little burst at the end of a fight (Rune 1 then instant 2) or if Blind is needed/not completely worthless cause you have a PLD using flash. Help out with healing if need be.

As for positioning. At your level it is pretty much pointless to worry about positioning. Pets have an constant effect AoE damage reduction and wont be hurt all that bad by anything at your level. Really other than making sure that they aren't standing in a field effect like Brayfrox poison or needing to move them over the square in sunken temple to remove doom(which is simply hell to keep doing by the way) it isn't worth the time.

The main thing you need to make sure you are doing is USING OBEY when needed. All three of our Egis have an AoE ability that they will use even if mobs around them are asleep. So many SMNs that I get into a Duty Finder party with while I am on another job wake mobs up because they do not use the Obey command. It is a clunky and slugish pet interface right now but it is something that you NEED to learn and learn well.

Can someone please refer me to a thread that discusses SMN's rotation? Didnt want to create a thread to ask so I thought that I'd ask here.

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Originally Posted by Maku

As for positioning. snip

The main thing you need to make sure you are doing is USING OBEY when needed.snip

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Okay, so OBEY is better in dungeons than using Sic? I only have Ifrit right now so I have to practice more of pet techniques later on. Thanks! :D

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Originally Posted by Blackdawn06

Can someone please refer me to a thread that discusses SMN's rotation? Didnt want to create a thread to ask so I thought that I'd ask here.

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We can discuss rotations here too. But there are some rotation discussions in this thread:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ing-Home/page2

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Originally Posted by Priemo

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There is really no reason to ever use Sic. If you just start attacking a monster with the Pet not in the Steady stance, it will immediately sic the mob you are attacking. Obey makes it so that the Egi will not use any attack/move other than the basic Auto Attack. Thus when us use Obey the pet will not use their AoE attack and wake up all the sleeping mobs.

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Originally Posted by Maku

There is really no reason to ever use Sic. If you just start attacking a monster with the Pet not in the Steady stance, it will immediately sic the mob you are attacking. Obey makes it so that the Egi will not use any attack/move other than the basic Auto Attack. Thus when us use Obey the pet will not use their AoE attack and wake up all the sleeping mobs.

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I see, thanks! Will put this into practice. And oh, should SMNs invest on their gears when they hit lvl50, and stick to quest gears until then?

One important thing you need to remember is that as a SMN you are not only dishing out loads of damage (probably too much to be honest), but you are also a great supporter. While your heals are not very powerful, they are still helpful to help out if one of your healers is down/oom/chained/whatever. Your heal is potent enough to quickly top you off after aoe nukes, making the lives of your healers much easier. Level up your thaumaturge until you get swiftcast, and instant battle rez your way out of wipes. Don't forget Virus, and even Trisaster can sometimes prevent wipes if your tank isn't an idiot.

I have prevented wipes countless times with battle rezzes and heal support (heals getting kicked from platform by titan, or lagging etc). It's not all about the damage with your class, you're not a black mage. Of course your support will become weaker when you hit a certain content level, but do never forget what you can do (did i mention instant battle rezzes?)

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Originally Posted by mountaindew

Which pet do you want, Red Sticks, Chicken Nuggets or Abomination Parrot?

Red Sticks is currently useless once your 50
Chicken Nuggets is currently pretty useless once your 50

You only pretty much use Abomination Parrot at 50 onwards for the extra DoT timer and auto pew pew!

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We use Chicken Nuggets to solo tank CM so we can take 7 dps and 1 healer into CM. Titan-Egi is the shit, imo. Just think outside of the box with him.

Note: Boss number 2 can be... more interesting than usual this way. But just pewpew harder.

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Originally Posted by atomicdeath

summoner, if you want to call it that, is a useful job.

It just aint a summoner.

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To be fair, the basis of comparison is FFXI, and let's be realistic, it was boring as hell.

I'm not overly fond of the emphasis on DoTs (though I still find it more entertaining than THM), and I'd like to see more synergy with the Egi, but I'm sure as hell glad the class is more involving than it was in XI.

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Originally Posted by JiaYow

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Have experienced this kind of stuff. Haven't got the swiftcast yet but resu, heal comes pretty handy when Healer is having a hard time along with Tank :)

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Originally Posted by Seraphi

To be fair, the basis of comparison is FFXI, and let's be realistic, it was boring as hell.

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Wrong, the basis of comparison is all the final fantasies with summoner as a playable character. FFXIV is the worst addition to the summoner job as far as summoning goes.

As far as the usefulness of summons in XI goes... atleast they were the focus of the summoners damage when they got to DD, and they looked better.

FFXI Summer was amazing and I was always asked to come on my SMN when I played but I devoted everything to SMN from day 1 when. They made it pretty sick and awesome near the end of my FFXI time. I do agree that this installment of the FF summoners is the worse but I do like it a lot. ^^

Summoner was my main job back in FFXI and as it went on, I got progressively more disappointed with the class. Main healing parties from level 10-75, doing stuff to HNMs once a minute. Then ultimately the only time we get invited to anything is when a party needed perfect defense. On the bright side the job looked cool, but is looking cool all that matters?

What materia do you guys use? Still those with stats for boosting INT?

Hello fellow Summoners! I was wondering if one of you out there had an Swiftcast+Resurrection macro you'd like to share. :P

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Originally Posted by Ludo

Hello fellow Summoners! I was wondering if one of you out there had an Swiftcast+Resurrection macro you'd like to share. :P

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/ac Swiftcast <me>
/ft
/wait 1.5
/ft
/ac Resurrection <t>
/wait 1
/p <se.8>(|Swiftcast|)(|Resurrection|) <t>

If you didn't notice, the Swiftcast and Resurrection is using the autro-translate function.

What is /ft means?

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Originally Posted by LionKing

What is /ft means?

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face target