Issues with Chest farmers

Currently now I have just ran into a Chest farmer in Wanderer's Palace and this person has full DL, relic weapon, and have access to Binding Coil due to his Allagan Shield being proof.

I will not display his name but I can see this being a serious Harassment issue if more people start to support this kind of abuse.

This issue is that the chest farmer will run to open all chest before the first boss of the dungeon and refuse to leave until one of the group leaves so he or she will not deal with the 15 minute wait time so he or she can continue Farming Craft items from Wanderer's Palace by opening only the first bunch of chest before the first boss.


The person will continue this harassment on every group he or she joins until banned or restricted from joining dungeons.

( I already reported him or her but this issue I can see becoming a major one if people continue to support this kind of activity because it basically harasses people who are joining the dungeon run for the purpose of completing the dungeon. There are also constantly new players joining the game and place like Wanderer's palace is a place where they will go to start building for AK run and gather some tomes for their DL.)

You're not the only one to run into this issue. We've run into a couple of these on Adamantoise as well. The only solution I can offer is to not give in to their "demands" and just wait out the time. Its a lose-lose but its on them to get the drop penalty.

If they're concerned about the 15 minute lock out, just wait them out. They'll get antsy and hopefully leave, and you can replace them in the party.

It's unfortunate that people choose to act this way, but the best thing to do is not give in to their demands of leaving, or get upset.

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Originally Posted by Gethyn

If they're concerned about the 15 minute lock out, just wait them out. They'll get antsy and hopefully leave, and you can replace them in the party.

It's unfortunate that people choose to act this way, but the best thing to do is not give in to their demands of leaving, or get upset.

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Well that won't help when they're willing to wait out 30 minutes and longer. By the time they leave at that point there is not enough time to finish the dungeon.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Well that won't help when they're willing to wait out 30 minutes and longer. By the time they leave at that point there is not enough time to finish the dungeon.

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Therein lies the lose-lose situation. But hopefully if its an antsy person they'll drop earlier.

I havent done much dungeons in 2.0 but cant you just try to out lot them. (The dungeons i have done, most people just ninja lot at last seconds anyways).

Looting is random... Kinda. Another solution might be to not roll on loot for as long as possible.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Well that won't help when they're willing to wait out 30 minutes and longer. By the time they leave at that point there is not enough time to finish the dungeon.

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Better than giving in to douchelords.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Well that won't help when they're willing to wait out 30 minutes and longer. By the time they leave at that point there is not enough time to finish the dungeon.

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If 15 minutes is so important to them that they want to force someone else to drop first so they won't get lock out, why would they stay 30 minutes? I know we can't expect these players to be logical, reasonable people, but if they're antsy about 15, they hopefully won't stick around.

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Originally Posted by NeoZehel

Looting is random... Kinda. Another solution might be to not roll on loot for as long as possible.

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They're white items- distributed instantly. Ran into this same problem with WP.

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Originally Posted by NeoZehel

Therein lies the lose-lose situation. But hopefully if its an antsy person they'll drop earlier.

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but it still won't stop the issue because from what I've seen most of these chest farmers are people already up in Coil and they're doing this to get the gil for paying their own bills in endgame.

These chest farming is already holding potential skill endgame players back from entering endgame through means of blocking player from gathering the gear needed for AK.

Ya they can say farm Castrum for DL but that is their mentality they have because they spent their time farming Castrum for their DL set before entering AK and Primal HM.

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Originally Posted by Azaradi

They're white items- distributed instantly. Ran into this same problem with WP.

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Oh so they're after the instaloot chests? My mistake I thought they were going for the gear chests.

Wow. I am surprised, but not so surprised, that people would pull that kind of crap.

WTB Vote Kick. ;;

Though, vote kick will be quite ackward in a 4 person group. Since two people could still troll successfully. Ah well, nothing is perfect.

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Originally Posted by Gethyn

If 15 minutes is so important to them that they want to force someone else to drop first so they won't get lock out, why would they stay 30 minutes? I know we can't expect these players to be logical, reasonable people, but if they're antsy about 15, they hopefully won't stick around.

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This person has Full DL set, Relic, and Allagan shield. Not only that this person is at current endgame with everything a endgame person can dream of having.

I don't know what is going on in his or her head but having all the best gears and stuff in the game must have gone to his or her head enough to make him or her wait out that long since there is no place to go with all current endgame burned through already for him or her.

Kind of a hard stop.. but I could imagine making it so all loot is distributed at the end of a dungeon or once the timer is up. It might encourage them to finish the dungeon with you (or wait the whole hour and a half).

It would also stop farming the first few chests of a dungeon and then rejoining which, imo, that farm strategy seems kind of silly and unintended. Though that'd be something SE would have to decide if intended or not. For normal groups it might encourage people from leaving as easily as well (may say "one more" one more time than usual lol).

in the end the SE solution is going to be to remove the items before the first boss.

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Originally Posted by devilzpawn

I havent done much dungeons in 2.0 but cant you just try to out lot them. (The dungeons i have done, most people just ninja lot at last seconds anyways).

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How do you even ninja loot in this game? From coffers, it goes to different people. I've gotten things when someone else opened the chest, and boss drops only lets certain jobs/classes need or greed.

Oh and just to mention, SE does not consider this against the rules. Reporting them does nothing.

Here is their response to when I reported one:

http://i.imgur.com/1jjWdD4.png

Reporting may not do anything directly, but the more reports come in the more obvious it becomes that this is an issue for their customers, enough of an issue to maybe get some action.

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Originally Posted by LemmingKingXXX

Reporting may not do anything directly, but the more reports come in the more obvious it becomes that this is an issue for their customers, enough of an issue to maybe get some action.

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^this

SE doesn't realise how serious this harassment and abuse of the current system is right now because not enough people are reporting this issue when they see it.

Simply leaving them alone will not convince them to stop because they know the new players who just reach endgame will cater to their whim.

No I think the best solution would be to make it so mobs drop a key needed to open the chest. One random near by mob has the key kill it than you can open it.

The only issues i have had in dungeons is archers and lancers acting like tanks and healers acting like DPS oh and then there is the occassional person who shows up take a hit from a monster and leaves because they got hurt and took damage. Otherwise i have yet to run into these chest farmers but when you put it in the game that you can return these items for seals i can see why they are doing it. Now get rid of the ability to return those items for seals and problem solved no more chest farmers. Until then i agree if they decide they want to do a stunt like that you can always run ahead get an angry mob on you and lead them right back to him lol. Or just sit patiently and wait him out. OR here is a thought get an FC and run with FC members people you know that arent gonna just jump in for the goodies (well not JUST for the goodies anyways).

I did my 1st Wanderer's Palace

Our PLD did this, dropped group before 1st boss,


I mean... this is like horrible? Just another really bad thing to do.....


Just another really bad thing going on in game atm...

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Originally Posted by tyrianna324

The only issues i have had in dungeons is archers and lancers acting like tanks and healers acting like DPS oh and then there is the occassional person who shows up take a hit from a monster and leaves because they got hurt and took damage. Otherwise i have yet to run into these chest farmers but when you put it in the game that you can return these items for seals i can see why they are doing it. Now get rid of the ability to return those items for seals and problem solved no more chest farmers. Until then i agree if they decide they want to do a stunt like that you can always run ahead get an angry mob on you and lead them right back to him lol. Or just sit patiently and wait him out. OR here is a thought get an FC and run with FC members people you know that arent gonna just jump in for the goodies (well not JUST for the goodies anyways).

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That won't solve this problem. They're not turning the items in for seals. The items they're after are using for the weapons needed for the relic quests.

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Originally Posted by Insidious

ITT: A bunch of crybabies crying over clever use of game mechanics. It isn't against the rules, and there is no rule as to how someone should play in a dungeon. Don't like it? Form you own parties and stop QQing cause you're bad.

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Now I've seen it all!

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Originally Posted by Insidious

ITT: A bunch of crybabies crying over clever use of game mechanics. It isn't against the rules, and there is no rule as to how someone should play in a dungeon. Don't like it? Form you own parties and stop QQing cause you're bad.

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Just think, if we ignore him now, the troll won't win. Just sayin'.

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Originally Posted by Insidious

ITT: A bunch of crybabies crying over clever use of game mechanics. It isn't against the rules, and there is no rule as to how someone should play in a dungeon. Don't like it? Form you own parties and stop QQing cause you're bad.

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True!! People keep crying because they cant find good parties in duty finder.

Well duh!? Since the release all duty finder party sucks. So if you still continue on using it youre either really dumb for repeating your mistake over and over or really just wanted to group up with trash pugs

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Originally Posted by Insidious

ITT: A bunch of crybabies crying over clever use of game mechanics. It isn't against the rules, and there is no rule as to how someone should play in a dungeon. Don't like it? Form you own parties and stop QQing cause you're bad.

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I'm not sure you understand the actual issue.

Make it so the loot isn't handed out until the final boss dies.

If you report it as harassment then the GM's may (or may not) act.

In Final Fantasy XI (which should have the same ruleset at XIV) there was a time when Summoners could gain mass XP using game mechanics (level synch all the Summoners, one person claims all the mobs in the zone, drags them to the summoners who then 2 hour for massive chain XP). If a player saw that and interrupted that by claiming the mobs or basically screwing with the other players then the GM's would take action (if the GM's were correct or not is a totally different matter).

The player is harassing your party............ use the Terms Of Service........

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Originally Posted by 3. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES

3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.

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Said player is disrupting your Game experience (and the experience of the other 2 players) so could be breaking rule 3.2, the reply from the GM actually stated that if you report them for harassment they will investigate, so if anyone does that to you in a party, quote rule 3.2

I've had this happen to me in AK too. I'd be in favour of withholding loot until the end of the dungeon in a DF group, or until at least, say, half the timer is up (so as not to penalise groups who try but fail). It's not a clever use of game mechanics (that's when you put together your own group to do it), it's inconveniencing others by either pressuring them into leaving and re-queuing or having to find a replacement. If you want to run these dungeons for the rewards you should actually run them.

the trouble is al this part of the community that have used AK speedrun and use any means for get the best stuff.... for what?
now they don't care of the people coming after them. they was here first and can do anything they want.

we get to the point of the community at level 50 is horrible (not all thanks god)... and is not good. either SE let them continue to ruin the game for the other or they take action, even if that means loose a lot of player from this action.

I would blist and report the people in a heartbeat. If everyone blists them for this behavior sooner or later they wont be able to talk to anyone lol.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

I'm not sure you understand the actual issue.

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I don't think any people saying don't use duty finder and make your own group understand the issue.

I can guess they're chest farming as well and are disrupting other people's game experience because they feel entitled to do it because they're already at Binding Coil with their shiny Relic+1, Full DL set, and Allagan gear pieces.

Seriously these people don't need all these stuff because they already have access to the best stuff in the game.

If they want to make money from items then they should go crafting things and gathering things using gathering and crafting classes.