Scholar and cleric stance.

Hello. Sorry, dunno if this question has already been posted before, made a quick search but didn't see anything about it.

As I play more often my arcanist in solo as a Summoner, I did put the majority of my points in int.

So, when I turned out to be a SCH, i started to use cleric stance, to swap my INT and MIND. My mind goes from 230 to 251, and my int wich was at 251 switch to 230. Everything works as intended, same for the attack magic potency and healing magic potency.

But, the problems starts here, because in the fact, it's not working. On my character stats, yes, it does, but not when I heal.

Without cleric stance, so with 251 in AMP/INT and 230 in HMP/mind, Physick heals around 450, so does Cure.

With cleric stance now, so with a bigger HMP, both Cure and Physick heal for 390.

It's the same thing for Adloquium and Succor..

So, dunno if it's the same for everybody, or if the problem comes from something I didn't understand...

What is AMP and HMP again?

You got healing penalty in cleric stance, so the heals are lowered.

Read Cleric Stance completely, its -20% to healing

Read the description of cleric stance. It swaps INT and MND, as well as reduce healing potency by 20% and increase attack potency by 10%

I understood that the Cleric Stance is -20% to healing for White Mage/Conjurer, because it swaps INT and MIND, and helps them to solo by doing more damages to the mobs.

If it's really swaping INT and MIND and also giving a penality to Healing, how exactly Scholars are supposed to be ready for healing ? This stance is useless for us... We need INT when we are Summoners, and Mind when we are Scholars, and we share the same points. We just need to attribute all our points in Mind and completly forgot the Summoner class ?

(Kronpas, it's Healing Magic Potency and Attack Magic Potency, obliged to write it like that due to the character limitation)

You are wrong. SCH needs INT and MND. Sure we are healers by definition but thanks to our fairy healing for us we can also put DoTs out on a lot of mobs and do rather good damage. We use Cleric Stance to apply our DoTs with a higher INT and then kill the stance to get our healing power and MND back.

As for stat distribution, Yoshi has already came out and said that he made it like this so we would have to chose either MND for SCH or INT for SMN. That being fine and dandy as there is an item for 10k GC Seals that lets your retrait. That being possible it really doesn't matter. Many of us of tested and there are threads on it some where here that really just put everything in MND unless you will NEVER play a SCH. The increase in damage with INT on SMN is rather lack luster but the increase of MND on SCH is huge. MND also helps SMNs when they throw out a heal here and there.

As a 50 sch I dont use cleric stance 90% of my points int. my mnd is still at least 90 points higher than my int!

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Originally Posted by Henlhaw

I understood that the Cleric Stance is -20% to healing for White Mage/Conjurer, because it swaps INT and MIND, and helps them to solo by doing more damages to the mobs.

If it's really swaping INT and MIND and also giving a penality to Healing, how exactly Scholars are supposed to be ready for healing ? This stance is useless for us... We need INT when we are Summoners, and Mind when we are Scholars, and we share the same points. We just need to attribute all our points in Mind and completly forgot the Summoner class ?

(Kronpas, it's Healing Magic Potency and Attack Magic Potency, obliged to write it like that due to the character limitation)

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It swaps and reduces your healing potency also. Dual SCH/SMN is a boon during leveling but also a hindrance when you actually want to gear both SMN/SCH for end game where you lost 30 point for either MND/INT.

Either ways I switch to SMN for questing/soloing, no need for SCH outside instances.

Thanks all for your answers. I bought the item at 10k GC seals to attribute my points again, and it seems less difficult to heal. I have the feeling that with more Mind, the fairy heals more too. But maybe that's just a feeling, didn't test the before/after.

Also, i must admit I am a little bit afraid cause I didn't test dungeons 40+ as a heal yet. All the dungeons starting from Brayflox are, in my opinion, way more difficult as a SCH than a WHM. The fairy helps us, ok, but still, we don't have cure II, we can't sleep, we don't have Esuna, no group heal. I did Brayflox once as a SCH and the last boss was a real challenge, but it was pretty easy as a WHM... Now that I finally have the group Adloquium and the thing that removes one bad effect, I imagine healing is becoming a bit more efficient after the 40, am i right ?

Scholar is about preventing damage. If you fall behind in preventing the damage being taken, it will be hard to catch up. You have to predict when to use a heal.

Don't let that parties HP fall below 70%.

The extra MND doesn't affect the fairy at all unfortunately. And yes Bayfrox is very doable but not all that fun on SCH. Once you get Leeches (our Esuna) life becomes much easier. And JonFarron is 100% correct. SCHs need to know the mechanics of battles so that they can prep an AoE shield and such.