Crafter Gather Dungeons

This idea is to help with the high cost of Animal Fat, Coke, Pot Ash and peacock Ore. The primary method of obtaining these items is through battle classes that can partake in the various dungeons to earn tomes required to purchase materials. Since crafters are the primary users of these materials it would make sense if they had methods to obtain these tomes without the help of battle classes. So the following idea of a crafting instanced content comes to mind.

Crafting Gathering Dungeons

4 ~ 8 man content in which the crafters and gathers must form a party.

Example party
Blacksmith x1 Armorer x1 Miner x2
Weaver x1 Leatherworker x1 Botanist x2

Objectives
Players must craft the tasked items within a certain time limit to open new sections of the dungeon up. These sections will be navigated by the gathers to obtain new materials for the crafters to make the next set of items. Crafters would need to work together to create the required parts to fulfill the objectives. While gathers must avoid dangerous monsters to obtain the needed materials.

Instances would request unique items that would span multiple crafting classes.

Requested items would be exclusive to the instance and be removed upon exit.

Gate requirements would request these items to proceed further into the instance.


Rewards
Allagan Tomes of Philosophy

Unique crafting exercises and gear

Reserving space for feedback summary...

Hope to hear from crafters and gathers if this idea is desirable.

You're talking about items and experiences that are far ahead of anything I'm ready for (my highest crafter is only 18ish), but anything that expands on opportunities for crafters/gatherers gets my attention. In particular, I love the idea of crafters/gatherers working as a team to create unique items.

Here's your Like :).

This is an awesome idea. I do not like dungeons, so it's great alternative for more crafter based players. I would even be for dropping receipes there etc...

Awesome idea, reminded me of Hamlet Defense in 1.0 except this time we don't care about stupid DoM/DoW classes. :)

+1!!!!!!!!!!!

This... is actually an awesome idea. Items that the crafters would need to craft should also require other subcomponents crafted by other classes present - this way there needs to be more communication on the order of crafting/gathering etc. I like it!

And of course, ANY more content for DoL/DoH is very welcome. Considering how complex the crafting system in this game is, it would be a shame not to build upon it.

Thanks guys i'm glad you like the idea. I feel like it really help balance out the economy surrounding the endgame crafting items while offering some really fun alternatives to the crafting gathering community.

Some general ideas for a dungeon could be.

Crafting a cannon and ammunition to clear mobs for the gathers to progress further into the dungeon.

Crafting keys and or various artifacts that can be used to open gates, doors, passages.

Gathers having to use stealth efficiently to get past mobs.

Crafters creating items for gathers to use like sleep pots (aggro would be lost upon distance)

I really like the ideas of subcomponents and new recipes dropping! Keep the ideas coming :)!

Gotta disagree with the concept. The current system isn't an oversight or bad design--it's intentional. It creates both synergy and a market between DoH and DoW/M.

This concept follows the modern MMO mentality that "I should be able to do/get anything no matter how I choose to play the game." (Note: I'm not saying this is the OP's motivation, just that it follows a trend.) The simple fact is that you already can get these items, you just have to get them from other players who play the game differently than you do.

Many MMOs have tried to create group/raid crafting content, but for the most part it's been pretty lame. While I do think SE could do better than some of the other devs in creating this system, I don't expect them to ever attempt it.

Would like to see a raid where you can take some crafters with your team of DoM and DoW, depending on the crafters, certian optional challenges or things can be unlocked or used to assist in battle. Dynamic objectives occurs when maybe the Raid team has to protect the couple crafters working on repairing the door while the Miner with a scout type class is out trying to obtain the nessecary aether crystal for the final repairs or something. :P

I think this is a brilliant idea OP! Would definitely love to see content like this in game.

Your idea is really good but i wouldn't use it for that purpose. I'm a great fan of the system that everyone has to do something to being able to craft something exclusive.

My ALC needs:

Nuggets <-- Smith needs ore <-- a Miner finds ore .... crafters/gatherers check
Blood and the exclusive Mats <-- Combat classes get's those ... combat check

Ok, if they were a bit less greedy i would have been a happy panda but the system is able to work. Let a bit time go by. Often we, the crafters, say that the fighters rush to endgame. And now we can't make a good example?
Time will tell.


Encore, you idea is great!

I like this idea. An alternative is the integration of crafting into dungeons designed for DoW or DoM. All of the mechanics you mentioned could simply be "utility"-type tools that make the dungeon much easier or efficient if you come prepared with crafted items, or allow you to pause and swap into your crafter class periodically throughout the dungeon.

The rewards from this dungeon could be oriented towards crafting, but include some DoW or DoM gear.

We're never going to get unique and innovative content as long as Yoshi-P is in charge. That type of design died with FFXI years ago, we're only going to get rehashed ideas done in the most horrible way imaginable(see: fates).

If a good chunk of people go in to opposition we'll see those crafting+gathering+fighting-teamfights some time in the future.
If we fight each other, we won't get anything.

gardener ... mows the ivy from the wall
miner ... breaks through
fighters ... hold back several waves while gardener and miner widen the hole
gourmet ... cooks some stinky meal for the elevator guy
fischer ... catches the fish for the cook
metall smith + woodpeckers ... build a bridge
Alchemist ... poisons the gatekeeper
Jeweller ... offer the biggest diamond he found to te boss

Now mix and match that and we could have a a dungeon with several ways to the exit. Ofc we have times where there is no gardener available and the miner has to do the job alone, magicaly there is another wall, without ivy. :)

I like this idea, and the responses. It sounds like fun!

I haven't played a game that had something like this and I think I'd greatly enjoy the change of pace. ♥

I can't wait to do Crafter Ifrit to get my weaver Ifrit needle.

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Originally Posted by CoreyDracovian

Players must craft the tasked items within a certain time limit to open new sections of the dungeon up. These sections will be navigated by the gathers to obtain new materials for the crafters to make the next set of items. Crafters would need to work together to create the required parts to fulfill the objectives. While gathers must avoid dangerous monsters to obtain the needed materials.

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My main complaint would be that crafters are basically sitting there, while gatherers are going around, seeing the dungeon, doing things other than looking at progress bars, etc.

I'd like to see fate type things over dungeons. Timed areas that pop up that require a DoL/H to do, while DoW/M couldn't do them. Not exactly sure how it would work, but would be a nice break from the same thing the crafters and gatherers do. Maybe for crafters you have to supply an emergency supply that you can only craft in the fate, like bandages for weavers, potions for alchemists, etc. that help an army that is needing to get back to the front lines. Gatherers could try to beat back a monster that is overgrowing an area, or be ones like the turn in fates, gather enough, turn them in.

A fate...

- large Area with 2 walls built around a center encounter
- water in tht area
- all kinds of crafters and gatherers are "needed"

First wall is a natural wall and the gardeners are most effective (77,5%) in mowing that obstacle, miners are able to mow too but at a pace of 33-50%.
Second wall is made from stone and both gatherers can wear it down like the natural one.
Fisher catches fish and seafood, :cool:, and raise the efficiency by 2,5%
Cook's cook fisch meal and raise by another 2,5%
Blacksmith sharpen the tools 2,5%
Amourer produce security helmets 2,5%
Goldsmith produce security glasses 2,5%
Leather worker produce boots 2,5%
Weaver produce security gloves 2,5%
Woodworker repairs the tools 2,5%
Alchemist produce a potion to settle the creatures nearby 2,5%

Loot/Rewards:
- No Gil, we get enough already
- shards, cristals, poly's
- GC marks
- crafting mats ?
- rare crafting mats
- "low" crafting and gathering EXP

The tough one would be to balance out how often the repairs have to be done. Imagine, only one woodworker is there an has to repair 100 miners :D
A NPC could be the solution -> grab an order and fulfill it -> return to NPC. Ofc the PC has to stay somewhere on a good to see platform where nobody can ever stand.

Another FATE cold be building a jail for Lalafell and all other minions out there... :p

Yesss we need endgame stuff for non combat players. Currently my main is Miner, I am enjoying my Luminary grind and darksteel farming, but eventually I will need more content, so this is a great idea.

Did you guys know that before Yoshi-P took over that Tanaka was working on a group crafting system. I'm on my phone right now, so I can't provide any links. What I rember reading about was getting a group of crafters together to bake a huge cake. I believe Yoshi said that he liked the idea of a crafting party. However he didn't want parties to make a cake that didn't have a purpose. He said he wanted to introduce content that uses the cake along with the ability to craft it.

I still believe that crafting parties will be introduced at some point. SE already did quite a bit of work developing this idea, and it would be a shame if that work went to waste.

I really like this idea!

Also, there should be bonus rewards for offering high quality items (and thus likewise give the gatherers incentive to try and collect HQ materials).

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Originally Posted by Alzelia

Did you guys know that before Yoshi-P took over that Tanaka was working on a group crafting system. [...]
I still believe that crafting parties will be introduced at some point. SE already did quite a bit of work developing this idea, and it would be a shame if that work went to waste.

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I knew that, but forgot it already. Hopefully they have the concepts for those "events" not thrown out of the window.
If we gather enough opposition and good ideas we might be able to see them sometime i the future.
Yoshi made a post, long time ago, where his concerns have been: a crafter sitting on the floor waiting for the gatherer/fighter to bring him material --> boring gameplay

If we find some activities and solutions everyone would be happy about or could live with we were a step further.

Though I'm not at "end game" crafting yet, I would rather see a mix of the following :

1. Lower tome cost
2. Lower crafting requirement for the items purchased with tomes (example of lowering the cost of 9 to 5)
3. Introduction of harvesting node(s) found only in the high level dungeon/raid content
4. Materials purchased by tomes have a chance to drop from "trash" mobs in high level dungeon/raid content

And introduce a new dungeon "Mary had a little lamb...of horror." Gathering type dungeon for fleece, diremite web/sinew, and hippograph sinew (or any other crafting item that is overly farmed on limited mobs).

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Originally Posted by Feilina

3. Won't and maybe shouldn't work because you can't change your job.
4. That is already the case. Just look Toto Rak. Ok humanoids only drop gil, that's maybe why you miss drops.

Cool dungeon idea. :)

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I'll edit my post. By materials, I mean the crafting materials only purchaseable with tomes. Changing jobs may (or may not) be possible down the line. I'm not an armchair developer so I won't pretend how easy it would be to implement.

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Won't and maybe shouldn't work because you can't change your job.
4. That is already the case. Just look Toto Rak. Ok humanoids only drop gil, that's maybe why you miss drops.

Cool dungeon idea. :)

I hope they also add crafting/gathering FATEs as well. These could even spawn in towns. I have no idea how they'd work, but they could be cool if Square Enix was creative with it.

This sounds amazing! I would have so much fun doing that! /bump for support! and a (+1) to you sir!