"Resume" button for interrupted synths

I'm begging you. It's nice that we don't always lose our materials, but this has to be the most frustrating part of the game I've encountered. (especially after my internet turning into swiss cheese)

If you D/C during a boss, you, and possibly your entire team, dies. Just some gear damage. If you D/C during a levequest, you might die, but the leve will still be there. At worst, you lose the allowance and can immediately retry. But when crafting... you could potentially lose a lot of gil. I haven't been this frustrated with FFXIV since 1.0, when D/Cing would fail your leve.

Maybe it's a memory issue. Maybe they don't want thousands of people suspending synths and running around. In that case, give me an ultimatum upon being interrupted or logging back in.

"You were in the middle of Synthesizing [item]. Please Abandon or Continue the synthesis."

Abandoning would give you the same results we have now. Continuing would give you the same Durability, Progress, CP, and buffs that you had beforehand. Can anybody see any issues with that?

agreeing with this, it's nice to have options to completely abandon what you were doing because you changed your mind, or if you just wanna "pause" it because you wanted to help out someone and you'll get back to it or for any reason.

I don't mind so much if i'm crafting for myself, but i'm afraid to craft for friends and getting dc and losing their mats...

I've been Error 90k'ed out while doing crafting 3 consecutive days, and lost HQ mats. Sure, sure, its only low level stuff...for now. Let's nip it in the bud before someone loses something truly expensive.

"Whoops! There went those 9 coke!"

/signed

yea i got dc'ed and lost the mats for craft i did couple time and if i lost that when i was doing a 2 star recipe i would rage like no tomorrow. resume button plox

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Originally Posted by Lissyl

I've been Error 90k'ed out while doing crafting 3 consecutive days, and lost HQ mats. Sure, sure, its only low level stuff...for now. Let's nip it in the bud before someone loses something truly expensive.

"Whoops! There went those 9 coke!"

/signed

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You have to remember that it all adds up. :(

The development team understands it can be discouraging when materials are lost when disconnecting during crafting and they would like to do something about this.

If we were to implement an "resume crafting" feature after a disconnection occurs, there are a few things that must be taken into consideration. It is difficult to confirm whether or not the disconnection is due to a connection/technical issue or if it was done intentionally. There is also the possibility that this system could be exploited so we must be very careful during the planning phase.

While considering the above, the development team would like to look into this further, but they are not currently planning a resume after disconnect type of feature.

If you had to resume within a few minutes of when you logged in and you were put back at exactly the same progress/durability/CP as when you were disconnected (using the same materials), I don't see the potential for exploitation.

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Originally Posted by Amnesia

If you had to resume within a few minutes of when you logged in and you were put back at exactly the same progress/durability/CP as when you were disconnected (using the same materials), I don't see the potential for exploitation.

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This, if they paused the state when you logged off, you can't exploit it.
Since if your synth was messed up, it would still be messed up.If it reset the synth it would be an issue, but that's not what we're asking for!

There are a few other variables such as gear damage, food effects, gear equipped in general.

If we were simply returned to our crafting stance and auto resume the synth upon logging back in then it should be fine, but if we're allowed to go grab more food, repair our gear, or go get better gear before resuming that would be bad.

I have lost many materials due to this...
They should address this post haste.

Simple solution is just to not worry about implementing resuming. How often do people actually DC while crafting? Sure, it sucks, but things happen.

im too scared to try craft my HQ item level 70 stuff because the materials are too expensive and if I d/c they're gone.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

Simple solution is just to not worry about implementing resuming. How often do people actually DC while crafting? Sure, it sucks, but things happen.

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It happens, specially for those that never get disconnected usually on the high level craft you're trying to HQ.
It's just bad luck, sure but it really really really really sucks when this happens. You'll understand once you experience this, I had this once or twice due to power outage right in middle of crafting and it just sucks.

Resume Crafting would be nice and as other suggested, if devs can somehow bring back the last state of crafting & start in a crafting position already I don't see this being used for exploit to try and cancel the craft or do other things to alter the end result of the craft.

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Originally Posted by Amnesia

If you had to resume within a few minutes of when you logged in and you were put back at exactly the same progress/durability/CP as when you were disconnected (using the same materials), I don't see the potential for exploitation.

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No one ever sees the potential for exploitation until it happens. Not being rude to you in particular, just sayin...

I never thought it would be possible to instantly teleport to mining nodes but botters found a way to script that.

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Originally Posted by JayCommon

No one ever sees the potential for exploitation until it happens. Not being rude to you in particular, just sayin...

I never thought it would be possible to instantly teleport to mining nodes but botters found a way to script that.

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Although it may be possible, I would think it would be much harder to make a hack where it restores say full CP for example than simply moving character to a specific coordinate. Either way RMT's will always try to find a way to cheat, if players tries to cheat with something like this it will be easy to detect on the log and end up being banned quickly imo.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

Simple solution is just to not worry about implementing resuming. How often do people actually DC while crafting? Sure, it sucks, but things happen.

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Let me know when you lose 2 million gil's worth of materials because of a DC and we'll see if your reaction is still "oh well things happen".

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

Although it may be possible, I would think it would be much harder to make a hack where it restores say full CP for example than simply moving character to a specific coordinate. Either way RMT's will always try to find a way to cheat, if players tries to cheat with something like this it will be easy to detect on the log and end up being banned quickly imo.

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You make a good point, however I was thinking more along the lines of them being able to exploit their mats back on a failed attempt at getting quality to 100%, to effectively get unlimited tries on a single craft until they hit 2 excellents and get their 100% 2star item. I agree that restoring full CP mid-craft would be a tough thing to accomplish, but these guys seem to dedicate large portions of their lives to figuring out ways to extort games. At this point, I wouldn't put anything past them :(

Sure but if you know how to hack crafting, why would you only do it for interrupted crafts?

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Originally Posted by Camate

The development team understands it can be discouraging when materials are lost when disconnecting during crafting and they would like to do something about this...

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Intentional disconnects cannot allow any benefit if the progress is resumed. The only real issue is exploiting a potential bug. Just save synthesis progress and stats after each step and you're done -- pause and resume any time. As long as you save stats (which you have to do as a result of Inner Quiet), you could never exploit it by switching foods between disconnects.

Still, it's worth noting that you're dealing with an issue a lot more than discouraging when you get disconnected making a gryphonskin ring and lose 1 million gil worth of mats. I've seen it happen to people. Unless you're incredibly wealthy, you can't afford to just shrug that off. This means crafters can't afford to use others' mats when crafting expensive items unless they are terribly wealthy already. 90k monster eats the mats, and now you as a crafter owe the client half a million gil for the stuff you took from them.

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Originally Posted by Camate

The development team understands it can be discouraging when materials are lost when disconnecting during crafting and they would like to do something about this.

If we were to implement an "resume crafting" feature after a disconnection occurs, there are a few things that must be taken into consideration. It is difficult to confirm whether or not the disconnection is due to a connection/technical issue or if it was done intentionally. There is also the possibility that this system could be exploited so we must be very careful during the planning phase.

While considering the above, the development team would like to look into this further, but they are not currently planning a resume after disconnect type of feature.

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Thanks for the reply, Camate. It's nice to know the Devs are thinking about this. Exploits are actually half the reason I posted this. I'm fine if it can't be done due to feasibility, but I honestly can't see any flaws with my idea, and so I came to the forums to see if it has any holes.

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Originally Posted by Enyyx

There are a few other variables such as gear damage, food effects, gear equipped in general.

If we were simply returned to our crafting stance and auto resume the synth upon logging back in then it should be fine, but if we're allowed to go grab more food, repair our gear, or go get better gear before resuming that would be bad.

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Indeed! That's the ultimatum! Upon logging in, you'd be presented with a dialogue box which you cannot just ignore (like the levemetes). You'd be informed of the situation and consequences, and there are two buttons to press. "Continue" and "Abandon". No chance to change your gear, eat more food or even change location.

"Your character was logged out during synthesis. You may either continue your synthesis from where you left it or abandon it. If you abandon, there is a chance you may lose your materials."

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Originally Posted by Amnesia

If you had to resume within a few minutes of when you logged in and you were put back at exactly the same progress/durability/CP as when you were disconnected (using the same materials), I don't see the potential for exploitation.

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I can't help but assume you are ignorant as to the technical aspects involved in an MMO functioning. There's a dozen ways this could be exploited, ranging from falsifying packets to make it appear that they had just disconnected in the middle of a craft when in fact they may of not or instantly upon relogging having an item auto-crafted to HQ with more than enough durability points remaining and no materials having to even be used. You think those node to node teleporting botter people are able to do the kind of cheating they do because SE intended it?

The items are immediately removed from your bag when crafting as an anti-duping countermeasure. The designers for these games never intend for such cheating to be possible, but it is, if not through third party programs then through exploitations of minor errors in the game itself. SE is absolutely right to be EXTREMELY cautious about implementing a feature that could VERY easily (as in, this kind of thing is a security issue because of how ezmode hacking it could be) be exploited to a level that it literally collapses the entire game economy. Next thing you know, they'll have bots logging and relogging to replicate free HQ items within minutes at speeds far faster than a human player could achieve. Then all crafted gear will be worthless cause there's a thousand hqs that some jerks made for free. Sorry, no thanks, I'd rather not have THE ENTIRE GAME ECONOMY RUINED because you lost an internet connection and thus, a few random items you were taking a chance on anyway. No offense.

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Originally Posted by Zettomer

I can't help but assume you are ignorant as to the technical aspects involved in an MMO functioning.

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Seems like one of us is.

If someone had the ability to alter durability, etc in the middle of a craft, then there's no reason why they would limit their cheating to interrupted synths.

AFAIK, all the information on progress of a synth is stored server-side, not client-side. It's therefore very difficult to "hack" that information. The client tells the server what actions the player has taken and the server reports back with the results, which the client then displays on the screen.

Compare that to teleportation, where the client tells the server where the player is located----it's a very different situation.

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Originally Posted by Camate

... If we were to implement an "resume crafting" feature after a disconnection occurs, there are a few things that must be taken into consideration. It is difficult to confirm whether or not the disconnection is due to a connection/technical issue or if it was done intentionally...

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I keep getting windows errors every now and then... Sometimes i log in for the first time, and 2 minutes later i get a stupid windows error.
This makes my FFXIV freeze and its shut down. I need to fully launch it again, reconnect, etc. And i been losing alot of mats from crafts bc of this, but also being disconnected during dungeon bosses, etc.
This is getting really frustrating, and if i cannot find a solution for this untill the end of my subscription (i paid 30 days), i wont pay again untill i get better news about this.
I'm not the only one with this error, so its totally not my end's fault.

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Originally Posted by Zettomer

Sorry, no thanks, I'd rather not have THE ENTIRE GAME ECONOMY RUINED because you lost an internet connection and thus, a few random items you were taking a chance on anyway.

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While making a system without bugs is surely exceedingly difficult, any new system is open to potential exploitation. It's a risk with every update. If you have any reasons why it's not possible, or better yet, any ideas on what might work, we'd love to hear.
And you're forgiven for that exceedingly offensive last statement. As if I'm such a bad crafter I risk every single synth I attempt. What nerve! :]

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Originally Posted by Camate

The development team understands it can be discouraging when materials are lost when disconnecting during crafting and they would like to do something about this.

If we were to implement an "resume crafting" feature after a disconnection occurs, there are a few things that must be taken into consideration. It is difficult to confirm whether or not the disconnection is due to a ......

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Please look into this. I've disconnected a few times while crafting which wasn't a big deal since i lost low end mats. But , this is why I'm afraid to craft let's say a Vanya Robe since it's days of farming down the drain if a disconnect occurs.

My idea would be when logged back in, your still in crafting mode with the same durability, CP, and same active crafting buffs. This way it can't be exploited since it's just as if you didn't disconnect.

If the resume button is there its more prone to exploits.

Bumping this back as I just disconnected as an Excellent popped up. Easy HQ leve just got lost...

This hasn't happened to me on anything important, but I know it will. Please do something about this quickly.