Relic +1 vs. Chest AF2

So i got all darklight, except chest and head are hoplite. I got Bravura.

I got 900 myths as of very soon. Should i spend it on bravura +1, or on AF2 chest? what do people reckon

If you've got Hoplite Circlet, definitely AF2 chest. The only thing you'll get out of +1 over AF2 chest is faster skill speed and a pretty glow. Which is nice, and you should get, but I think priority should go to the better tanking gear since you're a tank and all.

But I wouldn't blame you if you picked +1. That glowing Bravura looks p. nice.

Well it's not really about the glow, although that makes it look less like a lvl 10 botany axe.

You do get str and vit upgrades too. I guess I should just do the math and see which gives more stats.

+1 Bravura vs Bravura = +4 STR & +5 VIT

Hoplite Circlet + AF2 Body vs Heavy Darklight Armor = +7 STR & +8 VIT

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Edit: That said, you are using a different chest (possibly w/ materia) so it'd definitely be best if you did your own calcs.

What's the most important thing as a Tank? Yes DMG mitigation is important but holding threat is the most important. You are going to eventually run into players with their relic +1's, and guess what turns out they are constantly pulling agro away from you. The smart move for tanks would be to get their relic +1's first.

I tanked titan with my PLD with the grand company weapon vs DD's with Relics..

I never lost agro...


Tanks should not +1 their weapon.

yea, its not a matter of aggro thats in my decision at all....i guess i'll just see which upgrade gets me most stats.

af2 chest all the way

Why? Because It's Red

alright, upgrading from hoplite chest to af2 is about +15 on str and vit and +30 on parry.....that kinda makes it an easy decision....despite the cool glow...

This brings me to an interesting question. I've got my AF2 body for pld now. Do I save for the AF2 helm (upgrading from Hoplite), or upgrade the shield to +1 this week?

Starting in Coil this week once we get scheduling issues worked out, so its a tough call. I know Allagan Shield comes from Turn 1, and helm hasn't been reported yet afaik. Thoughts?

I took the weapon. Honestly, I couldn't resist the glow. Bravura looks REALLY boring without it imo. Even though the chest would have been a far bigger upgrade.

I almost regret my decision, but also heard that the chest drops from Turn 1 as well.

As a Warrior, +1 relic is pretty nice. Helps out on threat (meh) but also provides you with bigger heals. As far as I'm concerned, the +1 relic is the best thing you can get.

Weapon first. Weapon damage is the most significant stat in the game.

Wow interesting. Hmm. Tough choice. It's another 3 weeks til next so tough

I would say that if you are a PLD maybe the relic+1 is a good choice since it upgrades your shield aswell which gives you more block?
For warriors i would say first upgrade your armor as you dont only get better vit/str/parry stats but also more defense.At least thats what i am doing, my relic+1 will be the last thing i will upgrade.And if you need a better weapon than relic to hold aggro against DDs with relic+1 then you need to look into your play.

Logically and rationally the armour is way to go. Maybe decision would be less obvious if it was dark light armour but I refuse to wear that ugly vest/helm

But oh that relic seems nice...

No logic or rationale can justify a WAR picking a body piece over Bravura +1.

The physical damage increase from 44 to 46 alone is worth roughly 16 STR (or 96 Det). It is the single best upgrade available for a self healing tank.

Point to add, look at Coil loot drops, if your looking to get relic +1 or AF2 body, your likely near entering (or should be) Coil. Coil turn 1 drops that ilv90 tank chest. Now I have not done the numbers for WAR, i know PLD af2 body is best in slot, but even for the PLD the Allagan body is not far behind.

900 mythos is alot, and imo its best to use them on an item your not going to have the oprotunity to obtain a very similar part of gear in the near future. +1 wep could be replaced in turn 5, but not a single FC/group that I am aware of in the world has downed turn 5 yet, so dont expect your allagan wepon anytime soon. For this simple reason I would look at the +1 first, even as a WAR.

yea im getting more and more convinced to get the weapon. And as you say, body can be replaced soonish. Thanks all for advice

I've been looking at something very similar recently (relic +1 vs. AF2 helm & half way to boots - already have body).

Started out I was thinking like Relic alone should be enough for Warrior to hold agro over Relic +1 DPS. And many times that's true (I've done plenty of AK with relic+1 DPS and me ilvl 55 weapon - you lose agro occasionally, but not often if DPS well behaved. Relic should practically guarantee agro).

But then I started raiding with FC with better DPS. Relic+1, ilvl90 armors, and experienced players. They can raise the agro bar pretty high. Tank agro often forces them to throttle back DPS. I don't want to do that. Thus Relic+1 probably going to be my choice. 1 more week to 900 myth. =/

I went for Bravura+1. Yea, I've already gotten shit about it from people but I went with the idea that Turn 1 can drop the chest and I'd be mighty cheesed if I blew Myth tomes on something that can drop between the 3 weeks of farming back the Myth.

With that said, WAR's are kinda stuck as well. I've been told go for Chest (which I'm not sure I will due to Allagan dropping in Turn 1), but even with that, the AF2 head piece is poop, in my opinion. You lose parry AND accuracy from the Darklight combo piece, and even the hoplite at least has parry and accuracy.

What's everyone's take on that? Should WAR's go for Chest first or look more towards things like an easy upgrade to gloves, or maybe get a hero ring of fending since it + Allagan ring will eventually be BiS, as well.

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Originally Posted by wormed

I went for Bravura+1. Yea, I've already gotten shit about it from people but I went with the idea that Turn 1 can drop the chest and I'd be mighty cheesed if I blew Myth tomes on something that can drop between the 3 weeks of farming back the Myth.

With that said, WAR's are kinda stuck as well. I've been told go for Chest (which I'm not sure I will due to Allagan dropping in Turn 1), but even with that, the AF2 head piece is poop, in my opinion. You lose parry AND accuracy from the Darklight combo piece, and even the hoplite at least has parry and accuracy.

What's everyone's take on that? Should WAR's go for Chest first or look more towards things like an easy upgrade to gloves, or maybe get a hero ring of fending since it + Allagan ring will eventually be BiS, as well.

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Actually Darklight Chest/Head combo is Crit and Parry.

I had the same train of thought as you though. Yah, AF2 chest would technically be "better", particularly given the fact that I'm still in an ilvl 60 chest piece. But Allagan chest is even better than Warrior's chest, and it drops off of turn 1.

Personally, I'm going to go for the belt and/or accessories, so I can easily swap over to PLD once I hit level 50 on it, rather than sinking any more limited mythology stones into WAR.

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Originally Posted by Hachiko

Actually Darklight Chest/Head combo is Crit and Parry.

I had the same train of thought as you though. Yah, AF2 chest would technically be "better", particularly given the fact that I'm still in an ilvl 60 chest piece. But Allagan chest is even better than Warrior's chest, and it drops off of turn 1.

Personally, I'm going to go for the belt and/or accessories, so I can easily swap over to PLD once I hit level 50 on it, rather than sinking any more limited mythology stones into WAR.

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Yes, my bad. Predicament still stands.

The loss of parry, to me, doesn't warrant me to blow Myth points on AF2 helm. Which then makes the decision on not getting AF2 chest pretty easy. But the AF2 chest does however cut the Crit out and grant a huge buff to Accuracy. Why'd the helm have to suck so badly? Allagan Helm, seemingly, doesn't drop until Turn 5. :/

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Originally Posted by Hachiko

Actually Darklight Chest/Head combo is Crit and Parry.

I had the same train of thought as you though. Yah, AF2 chest would technically be "better", particularly given the fact that I'm still in an ilvl 60 chest piece. But Allagan chest is even better than Warrior's chest, and it drops off of turn 1.

Personally, I'm going to go for the belt and/or accessories, so I can easily swap over to PLD once I hit level 50 on it, rather than sinking any more limited mythology stones into WAR.

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Except Allagan Chest and Warrior Cuirass have the exact same stats, so even better? Hah.

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Originally Posted by Eardstapa

Except Allagan Chest and Warrior Cuirass have the exact same stats, so even better? Hah.

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No, they don't.

Allagan = 24 Parry 34 Accuracy
Warrior = 34 Parry 24 Accuracy

Allagan is clearly superior.

Well, even then I doubt with full Warrior gear we need more accuracy honestly, although Allagan armour does look pretty nice...

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Originally Posted by Eardstapa

Well, even then I doubt with full Warrior gear we need more accuracy honestly, although Allagan armour does look pretty nice...

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It would actually be pretty hard to cap ACC on full Warrior armor.

You would only have +45 from you body and weapons, and would need to get the other ~84 Accuracy from Belt / Accessories alone which would mean accuracy in each and every off slot, which would mean the rest of your gear (accessories) is pre-chosen for you.

Funny, Warrior always seems to get the short end somewhere.

Except that DF/Hero/Allagan accessories are really bad and AF+1 head is just fine. BiS acc are, by very, very far, HQ crafted, a mix of DPS and tank one.
As long as you don't use those crappy token acc you'll get enough ACC with a full af+1 armor and parry isn't that important.
I can only suggest you to take a look at this post where I go more into details.
But overall, both Allagan and AF+1 are really close. I'm sticking with AF+1 simply because I love that skin so much and I know for a fact that in 5 weeks from now, I'll have it, whereas allagan...
Allagan head is a little bit better, it's not that drastic tbh, so if you can get it, fine, but not getting any ilvl 90 head waiting to drop one isn't a good idea, you lose too much STR/VIT. While a PLD could affort that, a WAR need every bit of stat he can get.

Maybe I've somehow missed something, but are those 10 points in accuracy really helping WAR more than 10 points in parry? Genuine question, I literally just don't know how much 10 points of acc or parry is helping in either department.

Also, from what I've seen, +1 Bravura isn't going to help you much in turn 1 of Coil considering you aren't DPS for that fight when they split. You'll be able to hold hate slightly better, but it's not really going to get you less dead/carried whereas an extra bit of health goes a long way. Then you can test and see if Allagan armor really is better and, in the next 3 weeks, get +1 Bravura. This is all speculation though, I'd love to hear from someone who's actually done it w/ +1 Brav or AF2 body.

I just cleared turn 1 coil with +1 Bravura with no problem at all because I have allocated all my stats to 30 VIT yielding me 7295 HP + food = 7495 HP in the end.