Monk and Dragoon...what exactly is the difference?

I've been looking at the two for some time now. Watching a Streamer reach 50 as a Dragoon, getting full Darklight Set and his +1 Relic weapon (first on the Faerie server we believe) and someone esle who is almost as the same point.

I really can't see a difference aside from the weapons and armour and a few utility bits. Both have positional requirements which I'm somewhat used to (being someone who really enjoy's Rogue like classes with backstabs and such) Both are DPS and both have a handful of utility.

I'm more asking for myself to confirm my class choice to take to 50 myself. I keep switching between the two. Now if we had some sort of Rogue/dual wielding class *hint hint Square* this wouldn't even need to have been asked. But untill we get confirmation on job expansions in the future (I'm guessing patch 2.2 maybe 2.3) I'm stuck between fisticuffs and a big 2 handed weapon.

They're both relatively similar. From a mechanical standpoint, Monks attack faster, have more rapidly switching positionals, and have better team-based defensive utility (traited Mantra). Dragoons attack more slowly, have more off-GCD abilities to interleave, and have better offensive utility (Disemowel debuff). Dragoons also have slightly more mobility (second gap closer; Monk only has 1).

Monks have a bit higher magic defense, Dragoons have higher physical defense.

Dragoons lose moderate DPS if they can't use Leg Sweep (the stun) due to diminishing returns conflict with stun interrupts. Monks lose moderate DPS if they disengage for 10 seconds every time they disengage for 10 seconds.

Dragoons lose significant DPS if they can't attack from behind (AK Demon Wall); this situation is rare.

Both the MNK and DRG high-DPS attack sequences are more or less equally complex / not-complex depending on your perspective and experience.

Dragoons are more productive and helpful towards each other to figure out an optimal rotation : http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...otation-Reborn

Monks use the same number of pages arguing with each other and complaining : http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Need-rebalance

I plan on playing both jobs extensively, but I'd say the forums have built up quite a supportive DRG community because until extremely recently we were definite underdogs

Ah so it's not as big of a difference as I thought. Interesting to know. Guess I'll just have to pick one and just wing it xD

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

Dragoons lose moderate DPS if they can't use Leg Sweep (the stun) due to diminishing returns conflict with stun interrupts. Monks lose moderate DPS if they disengage for 10 seconds every time they disengage for 10 seconds.

Dragoons lose significant DPS if they can't attack from behind (AK Demon Wall); this situation is rare.

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err both are not exact leg sweep is a 130 potency skill is not really a loose of dps... we will use other skill in the gap.
monk look 21% of damage and +15% of attack speed if they disengage for more of 10 second is not moderate is a huge loose of dps.

dragoon loose 10% of dps if they can't place one hit in the back. monk too loose some dps by not being able to hit in the back.

but it's true the two class are way too close...

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

err both are not exact leg sweep is a 130 potency skill is not really a loose of dps... we will use other skill in the gap.
monk look 21% of damage and +15% of attack speed if they disengage for more of 10 second is not moderate is a huge loose of dps.

dragoon loose 10% of dps if they can't place one hit in the back. monk too loose some dps by not being able to hit in the back.

but it's true the two class are way too close...

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while i'd say monks lose more this isnt accurate. not using leg sweep is exactly that, a loss of a 130 potency attack every 20 seconds. we do not have enough off the global abilities where we can fill this gap.

in addition to losing a 10% damage taken debuff (slightly more valuable than a 10% damage done buff inherently, combine with the fact that technically it would stack manipulatively with everything rather than additively like they seem to currently) we are losing our single most potent attack (360 potency)


so youre comparing a monk losing 21% damage and 15% attack until they get it back rolling to the other class losing 11% damage, 360 attack, and 130 free potency every 20s

do you know how many second it will take to the monk for be back to the 3 stack?

let's say he can use him skill at 2 seconds (you normally need the three stack of gl for get this close) you need 9 skill... means 18 second... (it's more close of the 23 second actually) while this time, the monk deal scrap as damage, let's be honest, even the potency of the attack of the monk are weak.

indeed we loose the dps for leg sweep AND spinebreaker... but i feel we do loose less than the monk by far!

Gentlemen/ladies please xD I don't wish to start a debate about who loses what more. I'm well aware that Dragoon's are bursty and Monk's are more sustained. So it'd make sense that the Dragoon would lose slightly more when not bursting than a Monk who is sustaining.

I only wished to know of any big differences between A and B so I can make an informed decision to pick a class to get to 50 that is a poor man's rogue/theif/assassin/whatever untill such a class comes along in an update.

:) Play nicely? Please?

choice drg, you will have a hard life as monk at high level until they work on the jobs...

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Originally Posted by CommanderFlynn

I've been looking at the two for some time now. Watching a Streamer reach 50 as a Dragoon, getting full Darklight Set and his +1 Relic weapon (first on the Faerie server we believe)

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As someone who has both at 50, both are trying to do the same thing and its more or less a choice of how you want to do it.
Imo, to make it really simple, MNKs have a lot more Flank and Rear attacks and DRGs have a lot more off-GCD attacks. This makes them both interesting to play in their own way, choose the playstyle you like better.

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Originally Posted by ChaozK

As someone who has both at 50, both are trying to do the same thing and its more or less a choice of how you want to do it.
Imo, to make it really simple, MNKs have a lot more Flank and Rear attacks and DRGs have a lot more off-GCD attacks. This makes them both interesting to play in their own way, choose the playstyle you like better.

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Don't forget that half of those off-GCD attacks leave the DRG vulnerable to AOEs as well. A dead DRG isn't contributing anything to damage. Meaning that where a MNK might lose 10-20% of their DPS by avoiding an AOE of a boss, but a DRG who is trying to perform optimally but gets hit by an AOE that kills will lose their entire DPS bit until however long it takes for them to be fully back in action. People keep forgetting how vulnerable a DRG is when using either of the damage Jumps.

Good DRG should know when to jump - or not.
I'm not going to use a jump if Titan didn't use any special attack the last 10 seconds for instance. If he just finished a Landslide, though...