The Missing Scions (spoilers?)

So I'm level 45 so I've not seen hardly any story after getting to Mor Dhona so keep that in mind. From what I understand from that quest in 1.0 the main Scions are manifestations of the The Twelve. A few are very clear who represents what god and the Rhalgar Roegadyn scion is still MIA. What I'm curious about is the neck tatts, in the Scion group is that the representation of being a Scion or being one of the main 12? (13 technically because of the twins)

I'm more bothered by the fact that nobody remembers Una Tayuun and then she just dies and is never mentioned again. They should have made her live!

I don't recall her. Who was she?

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Originally Posted by Diamente

From what I understand from that quest in 1.0 the main Scions are manifestations of the The Twelve. A few are very clear who represents what god and the Rhalgar Roegadyn scion is still MIA. What I'm curious about is the neck tatts, in the Scion group is that the representation of being a Scion or being one of the main 12? (13 technically because of the twins)

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To the best of my knowledge there was never any solid evidence showing that the Archons were mortal vessels of The Twelve.

It's also been speculated that the Roegadyn on the 2nd floor of the inn at Fallgourd Floats may be the missing Archon you speak of.

That would be a pretty ridiculous coincidence though seeing as how each one has something about them that ties them very strongly to one of the gods. I'm not saying they are the gods themselves but just mortal manifestations of part of them.

I'd be curious to know who is thought to represent who...

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Originally Posted by Saikou

I'd be curious to know who is thought to represent who...

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Alphinaud & Alisaie=Nald & Thal (twins that together make the entity Nald'thal)
MIA Roegadyn= Rhalgr (this is from 1.0)
Louisoux= Thaliak (he actually bears his mark)
Yda= Halone (see Papalymo)
Papalymo= Oschon (some people don't get this connection, Halone and Oschon are companions, one's a fighter and one is represented by a walking stick)
Y'Shtola= Nophica (Goddess of soils and harvests, represented by leaves....)
Minfilia= Azyema (noble woman and Goddess of Inquiry)
Urianger= Altyk (Austere personality)
Thancred= Menphinia (The Lover)

I guess we're missing just 3. Now the odd part is that if you take the 3 remaining gods Nymeia, Llymean, and Byregot, they have descriptions that strangely coincide with Kan-E-Senna, Merlwyb, Cid respectively.

By 1.0 Roegadyn do you mean the one hired by Niellfresne to help watch over the parade in the introductory cutscene? If so this might be interesting to you:

http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9ce65a64.png

According to Aldis, the guy from the gladiator quest, the sword he uses is named Frenzy and "She's one of a magnificent pair of swords that the drunken prodigy forged for Coliseum champions." So that Roegadyn is a champion?

Diamente, may I ask what evidence leads you to believe Thancred is Menphina?

I agree with a good portion of your list. I can totally understand why you say Yda is Halone and Oschon from the companion mention but if we take those relationship to be defining then does that mean we should start shipping Thancred and Papalymo? N-n-not that I mind! :o

Ok I'm going to start rambling now so please ignore this portion unless you're into conspiracy theories. IMO I prefer Y'shotla and F'lhaminn for the category of Azeyma and Menphina. We didn't find out much about F'lhaminn but it's possible she may share some kind of link to Y'shtola. Perhaps she was brought up as a Sunseeker even though she is physically characteristic of a Moonkeeper Miqo'te? This may be completely off basis considering F'lhaminn's disappearance from the storyline thus far and maybe it's the fact that we can't figure out what she is that they killed her off. :( Even more so when I consider the the naming conventions... hmm. Back to the drawing board!

I originally thought that Minfilia was Menphinia or Azyema but then when I realized I had completely forgotten Thancred in my list and needed a god that was sort of a playboy (playgirl?) then all of the sudden those two pieces fell into place nicely.

was this stories about the 12 gods from 1.0?
darn now im curious what happened in 1.0:(

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Originally Posted by ken00

was this stories about the 12 gods from 1.0?
darn now im curious what happened in 1.0:(

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There was quest in 1.0 where they speak of the Scions as the manifestations of The Twelve and that one of them, a Roegadyn representing Rhalgr is missing. Its not terribly elaborate beyond that.

If I remember correctly there was a quest in Ul'dah in 1.0 where you hear rumors that the Sharlayan Archons of the Circle of Knowing (Yda, Thancred, Papalymo, Louisoix, Y'hstola and Urianger known currently) are avatars of the Twelve. Specifically the quest talks about a Roegadyn Archon as such. The quest doesn't refer to the Scions as that organization is new in 2.0 and was created from two different 1.0 groups- the Circle of Knowing and Minfilia's Path of the Twelve which was made up of adventures with the Echo (including the player character). Three groups I guess, if you count Cid's Garlond Ironworks. Unless I've missed something Minfilia is never said to be an Archon in the game. I don't recall the two organizations really interacting with each other in 1.0 (just the PC), although Minfilia did have a history with Thancred. It would be interesting to see how the Scions of the Seventh Dawn were founded in the 1st place.

Naria is on the money. It's spanner time.

The singular reference people are referring to in version 1.0 is associated with hatching-tide. In the first iteration of this event, it was prophesised that the archons would hatch from the eggs.

Now I ask you this. Would YOU believe such a prophecy if a dreamy, rhyme-spouting little girl with her spriggan friends said so?

Now, the event, whatever it was truly intended to achieve, was undermined by the ascians.

But I digress. Back to the legends of the Archons.

The legend says that the archons were the twelve incarnate. Considering that that sounds a lot like a summoned primal, that legend is useful.
We are talking about a period of time when Urianger was running around, trying to distract the Garleans to give his circle the time and space needed to get the Grand Companies reformed and organised.
By calling himself an Archon, Urianger inherently becomes like a primal, or eikon, in the eyes of the Garleans and that would have driven them NUTS! It doesn't matter if it's not true. What the Garleans were led to believe is what matters.

Of course, such titles stick, and so Louisoix, Yda, Papalymo, Y'shtola and Thancred would have found themselves considered archons by association.
And if the title is convenient, why discard it? With that, the term archon now carries a new meaning than its counterpart of eld.

I was going to say. Because I do not believe that it is ever seen in game presently anyone other than Louisoix being referred to as an Archon. The circle of knowing seeming to consist only of the members we have met would seem to lend credence to the theory... but with the loose thread of the students of baldesion, we have the potential for another group of Sharlayans that we never knew about previous to ARR. If their organization served a similar purpose to the circle of knowing, that would kind of turn this theory on it's head.

And Thancred = Memphina is just hilarious. But it fits! Smooth criminal...

You'll find another branch of Sharlayan Scholars researching the Singing Shards in Mor Dhona - the Sons of Saint Coinach. There are more of them than we originally thought.

Actually I'd forgotten that the Archon's were associated with hatching-tide! I played only sporadically until the last 6 months of 1.0 so the main thing I remembered about that event was cursing as I tried to complete it on a 20 something character. The quest I was referring too was "Of Archons and Muses" which might have been introduced at the same time, I don't know. I find ironic that the Circle members are rumored to be something like the primals, considering most of their efforts in both versions of the game were fighting them in some way. Sharlayan seems to be Eorzea's equivalent of an University town, I'd love to know just how all of these scholarly groups relate to each other.

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Originally Posted by Artamie

By 1.0 Roegadyn do you mean the one hired by Niellfresne to help watch over the parade in the introductory cutscene? If so this might be interesting to you:

http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9ce65a64.png

According to Aldis, the guy from the gladiator quest, the sword he uses is named Frenzy and "She's one of a magnificent pair of swords that the drunken prodigy forged for Coliseum champions." So that Roegadyn is a champion?

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If that's the same Roegadyn I'm thinking of, that's Greinfarr. He was involved in the Gladiator quests in 1.0. There was a fight between him and J'moldva (who he ended up taking to Gridania where she resided in the Lancer's guild) with a lot of money on the line.

Anyway, I don't think he's an Archon / member of the Sharlayan group / whatever you want to call them. In fact, many of the lesser NPCs involved in the class quests/original main story quest have just up and vanished. F'lamann, the taru twins, Greinfarr, Stahlmann - I haven't seen any hint of them in the new game. However some of the other NPCs remain such as Sisipu from the fisher's guild and the two main characters from the culinarian class quests (even though they appear to only be background NPCs unless they're part of a higher level quest, my CUL is only 24) are still around.

Artamie means this one http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ar-In-Gridania where I speculated that this Roegadyn Thaumaturge is Ahldbhar. After all, you don't see Thaumaturge in Gridania and sure he's at Fallgourd Float at the Inn, but still. He's off in a corner by himself and all he says is "Master..." Potentially his Master could have been Louisoix.

And yeah that other Roeg is Greinfarr from 1.0. He was the Gladiator champion (before Aldis). Prior to the end of 1.0, Greinfarr was working in secret to try and steal the Heartstrike dagger from Lord Lolorito in an attempt to save Niellefresne from his frozen-death state.