Right now we have normal items and HQ items. This seems like a missed opportunity to me. For a game that tries so hard to make crafting more fun, and succeeds in a lot of ways, there are some obvious things that should really be there.
If you can't make an HQ item, the only point in even trying is to get that extra experience, something that stops having a purpose once you hit 50.
I think HQ items and HQ materials should be removed, in favour of a 1-100 quality list. Making an item with better materials, plus finding a good rotation for crafting, means a better item. This should be combined with making quest gear less good, or crafting gear better. This way there's a purpose in making for instance, a 74% quality item. It's not perfect, but it's a damn good item.
It would make crafting something that takes more effort than it currently does, and rewards those who focus on it. Because right now the system is busted and crafting is a just money sink without equal.
Make crafting more complex.
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09-24-2013, 12:59 AMVinterMake crafting more complex.
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09-24-2013, 02:22 AMTrife
If you think crafting is a money sink, you're doing it horribly wrong. You should be making money while leveling crafting, not spending it... You have to take the time to gather your own materials.
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09-24-2013, 02:25 AMNeoZehel
I agree with Trife. Although the crafting I've done hasn't made the millions that some claim to have made, I've made more than I would have if I had bought all my materials.
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09-24-2013, 02:48 AMRaenryong
You can still make a big profit levelling when buying all materials.
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09-24-2013, 05:52 AMArale
Lol. This game has very complicated crafting in my opinion. Items actually need various materials to create, including relevant materials and crystals. In other games, its like 1 ingot of x impossible ore = full suit of armor. ;P
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09-24-2013, 06:55 AMSpawnie
u can level craftin with very little spending at all just balance all craftin classes n level them equally
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09-24-2013, 12:44 PMLaryndra
Crafting in this game is MUCH more complicated than any other MMO i've played. Especially when you throw in having all of the sub abilities. Knowing what to do, how to do it, when to do it are all factors that determine a failed synth to a 100% HQ. After leveling 6/8 to 50 and synthing my first two star recipes HQ, it was incredibly gratifying to see that I used ALL of my abilities to succeed. One slip up coulda been fail city. This was an epic moment in crafting, and how i think it should stay.
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09-25-2013, 04:28 AMCapita
I'm making money crafting 3 DoH at the same time. 1 of which is considered a huge moneysink and not profitable (LTW), 1 considered to be barely profitable and erring on a net loss (CRP), and only 1 that is considered fairly profitable (WVR). So far I've made 200k gil off crafting at the low levels, and I hear it'll increase the higher I get.
I only farm logs, which makes CRP a lot easier. It's probably the easiest one to level out of the three, and I usually have a bunch of stacks left over to sell on the MP. I farm while watching stuff on Netflix and I usually have about 5 stacks of logs by the end of an hour-long episode.
I have a ton of cotton from leveling BTN, so I'm using them to level WVR from 20-35. I made a profit selling Diremite Webs and Undyed Velveteen.
LTW was (and still is) difficult to level without making a loss.
I buy skins/hide/leather, along with the various metals needed to make belts and such, but I supply cloth with my WVR. I also only buy after I peruse the MP and make sure my leve rewards offset the cost. For example, a stack of 99 Aldgoat Leather is about 16k. A stack of Silver Ingots is about 14k. A stack of Beast Sinew is about 3k. So 33k total cost. One full leve turn-in, which uses up 9 each of the materials, rewards 3.3k, and I can repeat the leve 11 times with all the mats I have for a total reward of 36k.
I'm still a net loss due to the crystals used, but it's manageable for the amount of exp gained. I'm also making more money crafting than I was before I had them leveled. -
09-25-2013, 04:46 AMGamemakoQuote:
Originally Posted by Capita
...how? I've made gil by the truckload off LTW. I could make tons and tons and tons more if I got off my lazy arse and made more stuff. While leveling, you get skins back from leves, meaning an hour's worth of farming stock lasts pretty much until the next leve. Go back and farm or buy more of the stuff below your level and you can sell HQs on the market for massive profit. While things like ingots are being sold at a huge loss (circa 75%), LTW and WVR are making bank on every craft these days. Massive inflation due to lack of gil sinks and limits on endgame dungeon runs are keeping prices high. Use that.
//EDIT: Derp, legacy server. That'll do it to ya. -
09-25-2013, 04:53 AMCapitaHah, yeah. Fortunately, Gigantoad Leather fluctuates up to 40k per stack on my server, and I have a surplus of them from leve rewards. Since I can level with Aldgoat all the way up to 40 and triple turn-ins don't really use Gigantoad, I can sell those later on.Quote:
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09-25-2013, 05:05 AMGamemakoBest Served Toad does. 5 Toad Leathers, right in Gridania. Level 30 or so. You'll want to do that one for a bit until you replace it with Supply Side Logic, the same setup with Boar Leathers. The Peiste Leather one is in Whitebrim and the Raptor one is in Mor Dhona -- I couldn't do them because I didn't have either unlocked (and still can't unlock Mor Dhona, lol).Quote:
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09-25-2013, 05:56 AMOniCabbit
So you want every common item to have a value from 1-100 for quality? how would you store it all in your inventory or deal with the total item population? we have a rough estimate of 2,900 common items (not counting HQ items and granted some of the 2,900 will not or can't be HQ items). If they still stacked normal it would add extra steps to set which quality item out of a stack you want to use for synth with? Market boards we would need to extra sort features so you can try to easily find the quality rating you want to buy then deal with the quantity available. Is this what you intended to create complexity? Interesting but not sure how feasible this would be in the end.
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09-25-2013, 06:00 AMCapitaI've been avoiding the 5 leather turn-ins. It's significantly harder for me to HQ a 40 dura raw item than it is to HQ a 70 dura finished item. I can get up to 90% of the finished items to HQ, while HQ on a raw is somewhere between 20-30%. I've tried everything I could to raise that, but unless the raw is ~10 levels lower than me, it's just not happening.Quote:
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09-25-2013, 06:58 AMAraleI can make thousands if not hundred of thousands with my lvl 40 LTW. It's all in the right items. Those items, on my server, being gathering items that require multi materials. No one wants to make them, but they sell very well. 6-10k for belts, more for boots and the like. If anything, CRP is my least profitable DoH. Even with everyone going ez mode Bards, bows sell for literally nothing in the 1-40 level range >.<Quote:
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09-26-2013, 02:00 AMFF2GO
Sorry OP but I am a level 24 Miner/24 GSM and I have made quite a profit. IDK what you are doing, but w/e it is, it is wrong. Make a note of what is needed for other DOL/DOH classes.. those always sell well.
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09-26-2013, 06:37 AMChibionieko
You think you have it bad, as an alchemist most of my recipes simply are not used by anyone. The grenade potions are seldom to never used, mana potions? when did you last see the healer use a X-Ether instead of yelling at the BRD to ballad. Castrum drops X-potions like candy and its farmed constantly which drastically lowers their value. The only thing of value for an alchemist really are the one star weapons for SCH and SMN Relics (the whm one is also ach but uses all lvl 50 or lower mats that are gathered by btn, making it nearly worthless to craft). One does not level alchemy to make a large profit, one levels it for the cool lab coat and Borg like headgear.