" Use some of the FFXIV monster, player, or company specific designs for a little added splash of interior design. Once you’re done there though make sure to put just as much attention into the EXTERIOR as well." - all is fine BUT - "Future updates will add in individual player housing, the ability for crafters to get in on making housing items"
Future updates? So the big thing for crafters will be added LATER? And still this is housing we are talkin about - vanity items.
So what about combat crafting? They will add Crystal Tower - puggable 24 man raid. Lower then Coil so probably around ilvl 80. Even now crafted gear is barely worth it (only with 9 mats). If they will add more (and better) gear from dungeons without anything for crafters then well the game is dead for me. Sadly cause I really had a blast with my crafters but I don't want to end up as a tool maker :/
2.1 - no love for crafters?
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09-23-2013, 04:36 AMLotarion2.1 - no love for crafters?
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09-23-2013, 04:56 AMNorack
im assuming that means for your single house when they release that as FC housing is suppose to be first. Cause it says individual player housing, so they can't still do it for FC housing but not for single player housing cause its not in yet, so its going to be a future update.
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09-23-2013, 05:23 AMAemun
So still no official response on any of the issues crafters are bringing up?
Adding more mobs to drop base crafting materials such as fleece?
Reducing the cost of two star tome materials?
Repairing other players equipment?
Raising materia stat caps?
Fixing recipe?
New Recipes? -
09-23-2013, 05:33 AMColt47
What about having actual quest lines that take crafters to different camps and give them a few pieces of gear? Seriously, the guild areas look like miniature grind factories because we don't move from a single spot to do anything other than repeatedly make items unless we are delivering an item via leve. The class quests help a little bit, but right now crafting is just the pits.
It's like we got a more indepth system that is meant to encourage full time crafting, yet have nothing in the way of content to keep it going beyond seeing the big shiny end game in the far distance. =( -
09-23-2013, 03:17 PMReika
No, nothing grand for crafters. We'll get to make furniture in 2.1, woopty fkin doo. They are spitting out fluff items like bomb earrings faster than they spit out a response for the crafting issue.
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09-23-2013, 08:44 PMLotarion
Yoshi-P: "In most MMORPGs, you have crafters and gatherers that support and build the economy of an MMO. The gatherers will gather the material and the crafters will take the materials and they're craft things. But to make sure that gatherer and crafters have things to create, you need content that uses these things. You need to create a demand for those items."
WOW! Awesome! I can't wait for that game...oh wait! The game was advertised many times as a revolution for crafters. And rightfully so! The crafting system is deep and complex. We have standalone classes for crafting!!! However Yoshi said something about demand. Currently (and sadly in 2.1 as it seems) there is none. I came to this game because of crafting that is so different then in other mmo's. I won't pay my sub fee for something that was promised (advertised) and was not delivered :/ -
09-23-2013, 11:43 PMMarleyIt would be nice to see fluff and rp items crafted by crafters instead of everything obtained by everyone so easily. They lose their appeal when every single person has the exact same thing. There are no hard to get recipes or random recipes found as far as I can tell though I am not yet top level in any crafting class.For instance I would have rather have had to save up many stacks of wet bomb ash to get patterns for making swimming costumes instead of just getting them with so little effort. I really love this game but these things are a bit disappointing. I agree with all the points in this thread thus far btw and hopefully they will address these things at some point soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reika
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09-24-2013, 01:22 AMBufkus
Future updates doesn't mean 2.2. They could release it in an update prior to 2.2.
Also note that personal player housing doesn't launch at 2.1, only FC ones. So I would assume furniture crafts come when personal housing comes (in an update between 2.1 and 2.2). -
09-24-2013, 01:57 AMmekia
Didn't Yoshi said they consider adding High level recipes from Raid/Dungeon bosses?
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09-24-2013, 04:36 AMMistyMewhope not,se needs to open their eyes and stop mixing crafting with dungeons! the gear is always mediocore anyway. should not have to do dungeons to get crafting mats/recipies so that we can never make it.. cause its not worth wearing over the dungeon gear ppl are already doing the dungeon for! Good lord.Quote:
Originally Posted by mekia
the only time crafting should have anything to do with dungeons is if that gear is equal if not higher then dungeon acquired gear.
all the gryphonskin armor is...well...completely nonexistant again due to the ludicrous mats needed .......from dungeons lol
crafted gear should be decent and acceptable to dungeon/raid entry but have NOTHING to do with dungeons in aquiring.
Make it realistic, and ppl WILL be geared and ready for dungeons, ppl wont have to complain that players are unprepared. as it stands now ppl jump in cause the 70 green set is utterly foolish to obtain lol and why would anyone craft the gear when dl is 1/4 the cost :mad:
please se, keep crafting needed and useful dont blow it .........again.... -
09-24-2013, 05:01 AMLotarion
It should be like this (and when I saw Letter from Prodcer XYZ I was thinking that it will be like this): Dungeon is ilvl 70 for example. You can a) go there with your ilvl 60 items dropped in the previous dungeon OR b) craft (or buy) items ilvl 65 that you can craft from materials from previous dungeon. And so on and so on. There should be some material in every dungeon that is aquired different way then tokens (drop even). That material should be used to craft item half tier higher then the dungeon it came from. That way DoW/DoM could sell items to DoH and then DoH could sell items back to DoW/DoM. Full circle economy.
Now every DoW and DoM can just skip DoHs and farm everything. This is broken and not true to what they said before. What economy was Yoshi-P talking about if I can't make items that anyone wants to buy? Yes right now I am making loads of gil by selling tools and crafting gear but c'mon... Craft gear for Crafters so the can craft gear for other crafters? -
09-24-2013, 05:03 AMShiyoConsidering this is how WOW did their crafts(and failed miserably at making them relevant or useful), I'm pretty confident Yoshi will follow their lead. It didn't work in WOW, it most certainly will NOT work here.Quote:
Originally Posted by mekia
If trash in dungeons, like AK for example, or even castrum, dropped crafting mats, less people would've skipped mobs and much less people would complain about trash being a complete waste of time and just a way to prolong the dungeon and make it more boring. Why doesn't trash drop craft mats? I mean rare mats used to make high level armor, not hippo skins and hippo sinews, new rare mats in higher level dungeons and coke animal fat etc for AK/castrum. -
09-24-2013, 05:34 AMAmiabelle
As a crafter who has worked and worked and toiled and toiled (and is STILL low level :mad:), I'd like to see more crafting love that I can apply right now.
Where are my crafting bags? The bag that holds just ores? The one that holds botany raws? The one that holds intermediate goods-in-process? Where is the bag that holds all these stinkin' fish (and speaking of fish, where are the recipes that use all these fish?)?
Where is my ability to organize my bags? To lay them all out simultaneously rather than looking at only one bag at a time? To EASILY swap things from one bag to another? To decide specifically what goes where and make sure it ALWAYS goes there? To label them?
Where is the opportunity for crafters to work as a group? A crafting FATE, perhaps?
These are some things I'd love to see addressed, because, for me, crafting is as big a draw for an MMORPG as community and exploration (for me, combat is just a necessary evil I must endure). -
09-24-2013, 05:40 AMLotarion
The problem here is that when they do realize (IF they do realize) that there is a problem with crafting it will already be to late. Many (like me probably) will quit already. They could add a simple fix like it was suggested to make dungeon mobs drop coke/potash and so on. It's not ilvl 90 gear but at least it would be worth something (crafters to make entry lvl gear for raids). Right now it looks like that even 2.1 won't give anything for crafters and it will be realesed November/December when everyone will already have full DL gear and many ilvl 90 pieces.
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09-24-2013, 07:04 AMShakeAC
Where did they say that only FC housing is in 2.1? I thought all housing was supposed to be in 2.1?
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09-24-2013, 07:53 PMMaroiteHQ Gryphonskin is better than DarkLight armor and thus SHOULD require dungeon mats to craft imho. With Over Melding and HQ you can create gryphonskin items on par or possibly better than AF2. It should never be widely and readily available unless they reduce the stats significantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by MistyMew
Also you can't justify giving crafters the means to easily craft dungeon/raid gear just because you're a crafter. That makes no sense and is a slap in the face to people who want to level DoW/DoM jobs and obtain their gear through playing those jobs. I think people who don't enjoy crafting would feel slighted if crafters could just make everything and anything in the game as good as what someone spends hours randomly obtaining through dungeons with little to no effort. (Read: Not needing mats from dungeons/raids.) -
09-24-2013, 08:44 PMLotarion
Hey I agree that you should use dungeon mats for crafting gear. 100% agree here. However there should be different currency (or none at all) for crafting and for DL gear. Still to get a dungeon item you need to run the dungeon JUST with DoW/DoM and to craft you need both leveled crafter and DoW/DoM to farm those mats. That is why the crafting gear should always be slightly better then dungeon gear. First DoW/DoM would sell mats to the crafter and then crafter would sell item back - beautiful system.
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09-24-2013, 09:25 PMMaroiteYou CAN buy the mats from a DoW/DoM who puts them on the market. And with the ridiculous prices crafters are asking for HQ Gryphonskin items on my server... they're taking home almost double the crafting recipes cost in pure profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lotarion
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09-24-2013, 09:38 PMLotarion
Maybe on your server. On my server If Im lucky there is like 4 coke on the auction. The problem here is that you need exacly same mats (tomes) for both dungeon and crafting gear. Make coke/potash/animal fat..... drop from dungeon trash and I'm all for it. Right now on my server (normal) even if ill buy all the coke for lets say 30k - that is 270k for item + mats I won't be able to sell it. Why? Cause there is no DoW/DoM in right mind that will pay 300k for an item that they can easly farm from a dungeon. And this is 9material item we are talking about. Some are 27 so its 810K for pants. On normal servers people dont have that kind of cash.
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09-30-2013, 03:24 AMAnapingofness
._.; I just wish crafting didn't feel so pointless...
People who love to craft will level it. The AF looks cool so there's that... but short of personal preference and cool factor, what's the point in crafting?
Maybe it's just me being frustrated at all of this but I just feel they kind of rushed the crafting/gathering and then didn't think about what would happen once a. the quests rewards set you up for dungeon gear by giving players gear that is crafted and b. letting all dungeon gear outshine crafted gear so much so that you can bypass crafted gear for the most part and c. setting up really small stat caps so that you can't even make effective use of materia.