Okay so I have been doing lot's of Wanderer's Palace runs recently and as SMN I had a few question mainly aimed at tanks.
Seeing as alot of our DD comes from DoT it makes SMN a bit slower any sort of bust dmg, so to counter that I like to AoE DoT if our mob groups are smaller (usually 2-3). Lots of people get mad at me if I do. Now when starting a run I ask if I can AoE which I have to get a reply to until I get AoEs up and start ripping into me.
AoE DoT etiquette
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09-19-2013, 11:21 PMGeron_SlevinAoE DoT etiquette
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09-19-2013, 11:21 PMGeron_Slevin
So I was wondering how everyone else weighed in on this?
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09-19-2013, 11:24 PMRiko_113
Generally, I would say it depends on the team makeup. Always wait for the tank to get full aggro and you can dot up his target until he has group aggro and you can spread the dots to everyone else. If there's a BLM on the team find out if tank wants them to AoE sleep each mob or not. Otherwise, it tends to be better to focus on one target at a time unless it's large groups of weak enemies. But if the mobs, especially most in WP, take a minute or two to down it's better to focus targets.
Thinking about your situation with SMN though, I'm not sure if your aoe DPS is lower per enemy or not which could change things. I know for BLM they do less damage per enemy with their AoE since they are actually built to burn single targets faster. It may actually be more beneficial for you to AoE depending on that.
And you're correct. If you put DoTs before an enemy is slept they will stay asleep and keep ticking away.Quote:
Originally Posted by pandabearcat
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09-19-2013, 11:26 PMpandabearcat
If you have a good tank, if you bane about 10 seconds in (after your dots, shadowflare, and contagion) you should be okay.
With a bad tank, I don't bane until the 2nd set of dots (or, as usually is the case, the first add is dead).
Shadowflare is a safe dps increase and if the tank can't hold over that he can't hold over the healer either.
Also this entirely depends on whether the healer/BLM sleeps the adds or not.
IF you can get dots in before the sleep, you're golden, as they tick and don't break sleep (I think). -
09-19-2013, 11:30 PMLegoEgo
sounds like a shit tank to me.
if i have a smn in my party i AOE enmity everything within the first couple secs of the fight then alternate my enmity attack chain on each mob and let the dps take care of the rest.
ill hold aggro on every mob the whole fight with no problems -
09-19-2013, 11:37 PMVanidin
Depends on the group. Depends on the ability of the tank and healer to maintain threat and heals if all mobs are being kept awake. So basically it's situational based on the group. I think what you're doing now, asking at the start is the best route to go. Killing them faster is good but only if it doesn't cause a wipe, if the tanks hp is getting to the "one crit away from death" point during pulls then aoe might not be the way to go ;p
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09-20-2013, 12:04 AMCrica
what the previous poster said
work within your current groups abilities
if the tank needs one of the mobs killed asap because of gear, then focus fire one mob down quickly
if the tank can handle everything till the sun goes down, aoe to your hearts content
if the tank is having issues holding agro, focus fire down mobs in the same order the tank is focused on them
if the healer is having issues with MP, again, focus fire...
the more adaptable you are to your healers and tanks, the more runs you will be able to complete
have fun! -
09-20-2013, 12:08 AMDNO
SMN are aoe DOT attackers. tanks need to keep hate. that's all there is to it. However SMN Dmg can be very good single target also. so while the tank needs to know how to kept hate with a SMN a SMN also needs to be able to do Dmg Aoe or single target.
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09-20-2013, 12:12 AMCricanot all players are skilled enough to always be able to keep hate on all mobs perfectly nor always be able to perfectly manage MP while healing nor have awesome gear yetQuote:
Originally Posted by DNO
however, all players do not need skill nor awesome gear to simply focus fire in order to always be able to help out the tanks and healers that may be less then perfectly skilled or less then perfectly geared
being adaptable when it requires no skill nor gear to do so is always the best option, imo, if you need other players help in order to reach your personal goals in an MMO game -
09-20-2013, 12:33 AMAlkar
Bane doesn't break Sleep nor does Shadow Flare. I use both even on SCH but there i have a fairy curebombing me. Either way make those lazy tanks work a little bit.
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09-20-2013, 12:42 AMAleksandrThis is not about having the best gear it is about a class being able to do its job. A tank's sole job is to keep hate on the enemy. The above statement applied to others aside summoner is: The tank may not be able to hold hate. BLM cast a spell once every 10 seconds. BRD don't use any skills just shoot, DRG do not do your constant combos, MNK just don't punch stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crica
Out of all the above the SMN do the least amount of damage. Their damage adds up over time, but the dots, help the second and third mob drop faster (along with the first), and that first one is getting fester as well. (Oh Shadow Flare is going to do damage on the first one as well and cast slow on any mob the tank may loose agro off of.) -
09-20-2013, 12:45 AMJoshhoowah
DoT all the things!!!
... unless somebody on the team is sleeping adds. If the tank isn't throwing out enough AoE enmity, the adds will be going after the healer anyways. -
09-20-2013, 12:59 AMAdvancedWindAnd what do we do when the tank is so unskilled that casting Eye for an Eye as a first action after letting the tank grab hate for 10 seconds still make all but 1 mob turn on you as scholar?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crica
Yes, that happens lol.