Problems i have found while leveling as a Scholar

things Lacking from Scholars:

1) no way to remove debuffs till lvl 40, this is a big issues for us, boss fights that have them, we can't cross skill esuna, so removing them is impossible, and healing through the damage is next to impossible as well.

2) once we go scholar, only 2 healing skills and the skills from our pet, another problem, yeah its great we got healing pets, but they can't keep up with a lot of the damage dungeons out put same with the total 2 heals we have at this point, plus getting new skills doesn't help as if we try to run low lvl stuff it locks the skill.

3) confusing people with the in game info on how Scholars benefit from Intelligence over the mind stat, this is a complete pain as well, all us arcanists stacked int cause we had no choice, so once we go scholar we have to blow 10,000 seals, or stack mind, making us very weak, or forcing us to use cleric stance.

so yeah those are the 3 main problems i have with Scholar, love healing as one.

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Originally Posted by Solgath

things Lacking from Scholars:

2) once we go scholar, only 2 healing skills and the skills from our pet, another problem, yeah its great we got healing pets, but they can't keep up with a lot of the damage dungeons out put same with the total 2 heals we have at this point, plus getting new skills doesn't help as if we try to run low lvl stuff it locks the skill.

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The ONLY issue I had healing from 1-50 was Brayflox and it was only when I had a tank that (for whatever reason) failed to avoid the poison breath of the final boss. Past that, I've had no issues healing on SCH. I even ran Castrum Meridianum and The Praetorium last night and still had zero issues healing. Not saying things went perfect, but we did win with plenty of time left.

yeah, that dungeon is my pet peeve atm, freaking Brayflox and the last boss, tanks don't seem to under the screams of the healer asking them NOT TO STAND IN STUFF, really shits me, that and it seems odd, that they don't let us cross class skill the esuna white mage skill, would make it so much easier >.>

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Originally Posted by Solgath

3) confusing people with the in game info on how Scholars benefit from Intelligence over the mind stat, this is a complete pain as well, all us arcanists stacked int cause we had no choice, so once we go scholar we have to blow 10,000 seals, or stack mind, making us very weak, or forcing us to use cleric stance.

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You have the choice, if you knew you were going to be more of a sch than a smn then you know that MND is more helpful than INT then you should put the point in MND you are nor force to put it in INT if you dont want.

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

You have the choice, if you knew you were going to be more of a sch than a smn then you know that MND is more helpful than INT then you should put the point in MND you are nor force to put it in INT if you dont want.

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no actually, going by all in game information Scholars use int, be it a type-o or a but, its miss leading, and all the info i saw clearly stated scholars used INT, i didn't care so much, i just went and used my seals and reset my points, not that it really help that much when u consider, we get 2 heals, our pet heals, and no way to remove debuffs, someone got lazy when creating the 2nd healing class.

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Originally Posted by Solgath

no actually, going by all in game information Scholars use int,[snip], its miss leading, and all the info i saw clearly stated scholars used INT, i didn't care so much, [snip] we get 2 heals, our pet heals, and no way to remove debuffs, someone got lazy when creating the 2nd healing class.

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I'd like you to reference me where you saw that SCH uses INT. I'd like to see the sources (screenshot if you see this in-game). AFAIK, SCH uses MND and our heals are buffed with increased MND and increased Base Magic DMG on our grimoires.

We have a way to remove debuffs, it's called Leeches, please do your lv. 40 class quests and use it, ASAP.

I have no problems healing on SCH, and I pretty much enjoy healing on SCH over healing on WHM (which is also lv. 50). The way I see the way the pet heals is that you can direct your attention to two people if they both need healing. Adloquium also gives a nice shield that shields them from a specific amount of damage.

guess you missed the part where i was trying to run Brayflox, and at lvl 34 which is the sync level, you lose access to higher level skills, plus i am only lvl 32, nor would it matter if i was any higher, i did see a pop up in game once i became a scholar about int, but i since been unable to find it, nor do i care as i stated i changed my stats anyway. so before you jump on he bashing band wagon, relearn how low level dungeons work ASAP.

some people just don't seem to read the whole post, but no matter.

Not being able to remove debuffs until 40 isn't a big deal...you can heal threw anything before then, ran Brayflox many times and it was never an issue.

We actually get 4 heals + our pet...unless you mean when you first turn scholar, then yea, but its all you need...and our pet is beastly healer, so not sure what your complaining about...actually DC'd once in ampdor keep right as the tank pulled 3 mobs and Eos(faerie) kept the tank up while I was DC'd

And the int thing, I've never seen anything that...the int traits are a bit of a waste, they should just make it piety so that way it wouldn't be a complete waste

wait until you run amor...am...something vale, horrible with names...your pet will drop dead on the first boss and your screwed

well not sure what the issue was then, i could not keep the tank up at all, but then that could have been more the tanks issue than mine, i couldn't remove the debuff so he would keep standing in stuff getting stacks, even with my pet, i was running out of mana and the tank would get one hit from the boss due to almost 4 to 5 stacks of the last bosses poison.

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Originally Posted by LilOoms

Not being able to remove debuffs until 40 isn't a big deal...you can heal threw anything before then, ran Brayflox many times and it was never an issue.

We actually get 4 heals + our pet...unless you mean when you first turn scholar, then yea, but its all you need...and our pet is beastly healer, so not sure what your complaining about...actually DC'd once in ampdor keep right as the tank pulled 3 mobs and Eos(faerie) kept the tank up while I was DC'd

And the int thing, I've never seen anything that...the int traits are a bit of a waste, they should just make it piety so that way it wouldn't be a complete waste

wait until you run amor...am...something vale, horrible with names...your pet will drop dead on the first boss and your screwed

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Even that fight becomes manageable when you have swiftcast and your group doesn't go above 3 stacks.

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Originally Posted by Solgath

well not sure what the issue was then, i could not keep the tank up at all, but then that could have been more the tanks issue than mine, i couldn't remove the debuff so he would keep standing in stuff getting stacks, even with my pet, i was running out of mana and the tank would get one hit from the boss due to almost 4 to 5 stacks of the last bosses poison.

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He's not supposed to stand in stuff. You never want to stand in stuff. That's basic MMO stuff. If he's getting 4-5 stacks of Poison on him he's an awful tank and I don't know why you would think that's your fault at all.

I had no issues with healing Brayflox as sch. The poison debuff wasn't bad at all. Even with 4 stacks, I hardly noticed the difference. The only time damage got crazy was when the tank stood in the green spots. I think some tanks assume that since they have a healer with them, they don't need to avoid damage. We wiped a few times in my first run while our tank learned that lesson...

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Originally Posted by Solgath

things Lacking from Scholars:

1) no way to remove debuffs till lvl 40, this is a big issues for us, boss fights that have them, we can't cross skill esuna, so removing them is impossible, and healing through the damage is next to impossible as well.

2) once we go scholar, only 2 healing skills and the skills from our pet, another problem, yeah its great we got healing pets, but they can't keep up with a lot of the damage dungeons out put same with the total 2 heals we have at this point, plus getting new skills doesn't help as if we try to run low lvl stuff it locks the skill.

3) confusing people with the in game info on how Scholars benefit from Intelligence over the mind stat, this is a complete pain as well, all us arcanists stacked int cause we had no choice, so once we go scholar we have to blow 10,000 seals, or stack mind, making us very weak, or forcing us to use cleric stance.

so yeah those are the 3 main problems i have with Scholar, love healing as one.

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Consider this:
Sch+Pet heal 400(Physick)+300(Embrace) with basic MP cost or 300(Adloquium)+300(Shield)+300(Embrace) with more than double MP cost every 3sec, WHM heal 650(Cure II) with double MP cost every 2.5sec....

Which one is more powerful??

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Originally Posted by Krisstina

Consider this:
Sch+Pet heal 400(Physick)+300(Embrace) with basic MP cost or 300(Adloquium)+300(Shield)+300(Embrace) with more than double MP cost every 3sec, WHM heal 650(Cure II) with double MP cost every 2.5sec....

Which one is more powerful??

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Well:

Brayflox is synched to 34 (regen is at 35).
SCH's have atherflow+2 energy drains. WHM's don't have shoud of saints yet.
Adloquium and cure ii have the same MP costs, as does physic and cure.
WHM's esuna is effective at preventing damage from poison, and magic damage-boosting debuffs.
Neither job should have MP problems (use cure ii only when freecure triggers from a cure, and esuna is a cheap way to stop damage).

All things considered, SCH's have an advantage at brayflox level.

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Originally Posted by Leiloni

He's not supposed to stand in stuff. You never want to stand in stuff. That's basic MMO stuff. If he's getting 4-5 stacks of Poison on him he's an awful tank and I don't know why you would think that's your fault at all.

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I healed a very derp tank with 4 stacks of poison just fine.

Not having leeches before 40 is just annoying in case you need to remove a slow and what not. OP calling it a problem is just silly.

So far my only problem is the pet switching back to Guard after you give it an order. Silly fairy does whatever she wants!

my last tank on that dungeon got 4 stack. Just mic your pet to focus heal on tank and pray DPSes dont dip on shyt on the floor. Its annoying but quite doable.

The only time I had problems healing 30-40 is my own l2p issues. Usually it was me having problems keeping the tank in range (specifically in Brayflax final boss) while also keeping myself and my fairy out of AoE's. I never felt like I was missing Leeches before I got it.

My tactic for healing through the tough parts where everyone takes lots of damage, even before i got succor, was to target the tank, and manually cast embrace on the tank, and then set up physick or adlohoweveritsspelt as a mouse-over macro and I would cast that either on the tank or whoever needed it. And just do that over and over again. And if I have to run, I still cast embrace so at least some heals got out.

I've run plenty of below 30 dungeons level syncing down my scholar, and didn't find it problematic to only have physick for those.

I actually split stacking into INT and MIND as an arcanist, cos I heard on the forums that having some extra points in INT was still good cos it got you more out of Energy Drain. Now I just stack MIND. Sometimes I solo level with cleric stance, other times I forget. I honestly don't notice that much of a difference. I do notice other classes kill things a lot fast than me, but I figure, I'm a healer so that makes sense.

But yea - I have no complaints about leveling a scholar, only times I've had problems is cos I'm being dumb/bad/still learning how to best use the faerie.

For what it's worth. I started running Brayflox as a scholar right away at level 32, when the dungeon opened up for me. Now I am level 35, and I have ran it numerous times. Not even once I have felt insufficient as a scholar, the only time I have been breaking a sweat was when the tank ate the dragon's breath and had 4 poison stacks - and even then my chain healing sufficed. The poision can be countered by brute force healing - not very elegant, that is granted. But as a scholar without a cleanse, what can you do more than abuse the living daylights out of your poor fairy?

actually, when in a party as a SCH, you are referenced as a PIE type class, so I assume the devs wanted piety to be SCH's main stat of choice. Still having +INT traits isnt very helpful, I think they should have made it +PIE instead

i'm not complaining about scholars as such, i just find it a draw back and class limitation that we lack any sort of debuff removal tool till lvl 40, i lvled white mage first, and i liked it, but i like the scholars healing a lot more, i think the main problem i have is that tanks feel the need to take the breath attack when they got 4 stacks, and then stand the boss in poison, and wonder why people start yelling when they don't listen at the start. but from my stand point, the scholar is great, but lacking in some departments.

So you were complaining about a horrible tank that you couldn't keep up because the tank decided to eat everything. A WHM's mp probably would not last the whole boss fight trying to keep that up either.

Edit: My alt SCH has had no problems keeping people up, as long as they do not face tank things they should not face tank.... too often or they are already dead.

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Originally Posted by Krisstina

Consider this:
Sch+Pet heal 400(Physick)+300(Embrace) with basic MP cost or 300(Adloquium)+300(Shield)+300(Embrace) with more than double MP cost every 3sec, WHM heal 650(Cure II) with double MP cost every 2.5sec....

Which one is more powerful??

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Embrace is around 250 potency due to pet not being affected by maim and mend.
Sch heals also heal about 30-40hp(4%) less then whm with equivalent spells in the same gear.

Regen(150)+Cure2(650) is about around the same as embrace(240)+adloquium(580).

You can even test it yourselves if you have 50 whm and 50sch. Compare the total hp healed from embrace+adlo and then class switch to whm and see how much regen + cure 2 heals.

I fucking love Scholar. As a healer, our MP management skills and our actual personal dps under Cleric Stance is higher than other ACN variants. Yeah, the pet is a little dodgy but we have a big enough toolkit to compensate. Plus, even though we wait for 40 to get our cleanse, it's LEECHES. Whether we love or hate our party members, we pack their faces with leeches!

Except for Titan-Egi, I actually have more fun questing as SCH dotting stuff up and running around in circles and spamming Ruin II as Eos keeps me up and offtanks adds.

Group healing as SCH is much more fun and engaging for me than my CNJ (Which is currently 29 compared to my SCH's 41). Personal DPS even outside of Cleric Stance is still quite high and allows me to multitask during boss fights and get them down that much more quickly. It's a much more active and less 'heal spammy' style than what I've seen with CNJ.

I'm planning on getting the 10k seal item to respec my points on ACN into MND.

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Originally Posted by Mang

I'm planning on getting the 10k seal item to respec my points on ACN into MND.

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Definitely worth the cost. I put all my points into INT when I levelled my ACN up to 30, but respeced into MND when I became scholar with no regrets ever since. I think the difference is noticeable.