The White Knight

I'm a single MMO'er,

I enjoy long night of leveling along the beach, I commit to one MMO at a time and I am quite dependable once I commit. I've had some long relationships in the past but nothing has really come along that grabbed my attention since I drifted apart from my last MMO.

I feel I'm ready to commit again. I know we have already had a relationship and you weren't exactly what I expected when we got together but I still saw the potential for a great relationship. Almost 3 years have past since then and you say you have grown up a bit, that you have changed. Well, I may be foolish for thinking this but maybe, just maybe, things will be different this time.

We have had a few dates here and there during that time so I'm beginning to see the MMO you are going to become. You're starting to look pretty darn cute! Sure you aren't perfect, that's what makes you so much fun! I know right now you are still in rehab so I'm willing to wait till the end of August when you graduate from the program, then we can start going together on a more regular basis. I want to help you grow and I hope you can be the best MMO that you can be.

I'll be here for you SE, waiting, watching, and wishing you all the best on your speedy recovery.

I Love you.

Your special friend, The White Knight


Getting called a "White Knight" again, this time for posting Dev comments. Thought I would dig this up from my older posts. Enjoy!

Just wanted to add this to the OP.

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Originally Posted by ZakarnRosewood

Personally, I think the term "White Knight" is mostly used to dismiss someone's positive argument about a topic. Its a way to ignore any good points someone might make about something that they enjoy.

Alternately, I think the term "Troll" is used in the same manner. Its a way to dismiss someones distaste for something. When people call another a troll, there are times where they make good points but then they are dismissed as a troll so as not to be taken seriously. Rokien comes to mind. As much as I disliked the way he phrased things he did have some valid points on occasion.

Granted there are times where either label does apply, some people like to get a rise out of others so they knowingly say something that will "stir the pot" (SSM comes to mind). And there are times where people will defend something to the death because they are either emotionally invested in the topic or they see things through a distorted lens with blinders on, ignoring any and all evidence to the contrary.

Either way, There is more to a person than what can be gleaned from a single post. While I may seem the white knight in some aspects, I am not without my share of complaints. There are things I would like to see changed and things I'm content with. Above all, I believe its not what you are saying but how you say it. The one thing I cannot stand are people being unnecessarily cruel, rude, abrasive, or refuse to hold a dialogue in which ideas are shared and listened to. If all you are going to do is defend your position (positive or negative) even in the face of good evidence to the contrary or just outright ignore it, then what is the point of even saying anything in the first place.

Just my 2gil.

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I love your post, and I kinda want to add something to it. I'm hoping my comments don't destroy/minimize what you're trying to say, but instead add dimension.

I don't think I've personally been called a white knight, but, I expect that if I posted more of what I really thought, that I would be.

Sure, White Knights do exist, and yeah, they can be irritating and overbearing.

However, I'm learning that there is a difference between a white knight and someone who is reasonable and understands human limitations, hardware limitations and software limitations.

I prefer to think of myself as the latter. A reasonable, grown adult, with enough knowledge of how big companies work and how networks operate, how software can be written, along with how datacenters are set up.

SE did a massive amount of work relaunching this game as quickly and thoroughly as they did.
They did a worldwide launch on the same date, including digital downloads of the game.
They added a second datacenter location to please people who misunderstand ping.
They put out the Before Meteor soundtrack, without DRM ^^
They then did another massive amount of work adding more worlds and duty finder servers shortly after launch.
They gave us a good start to the endgame, and even designed a sort of end game for crafters.
Yoshi has already completed the storyline for the next EXPANSION and handed it to the dev team.
They're working on patches that are scheduled to release every three months.
They're still listening and responding to player feedback on these forums.
They've redesigned the Lodestone, come out with a phone app, with an android version coming out soon.
They've acknowledged most of the bigger bugs/issues with the game and told us that they're working on them (RMT, bots, this perceived 'lag' on AoE moves, etc.)

And people still aren't happy. People are still asking for more. People want more details about what exactly they are doing.

When I look at that list above, things that I just thought of off the top of my head without researching, I ask you all: What haven't they done? Pleased everyone? Well of course they haven't, it's not something anyone can do.

The fact that a large corporation is even doing so much as what is listed above is actually, rather extraordinary, considering most really are just happy to take your cash and let you go screw yourself.

It's not easy, cheap or simple to add a second datacenter. Nor is it easy, cheap or simple to 'add a few lines of code' to something as massive as an MMORPG. Nor is it easy, cheap or simple to combat spam of any kind. If it was, you wouldn't have a spam filter in your inbox that doesn't even always work.

So, yeah, I'm probably a white knight, but I prefer to think of myself as someone who lives in the real world and understands that there are limitations to everything.

tl;dr White Knight =/= a person who simply has realistic expectations

White Knight should totally be its own job, seperate from paladin. :p

It's not exactly healthy to grow an obsession with a company (or anyone) so strong that you accept everything they do. Open and clear communication between a company and its customers is far more important than avid fanaticism.

If you're not doing that, but still being called a white knight, you've been labeled incorrectly.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

It's not exactly healthy to grow an obsession with a company (or anyone) so strong that you accept everything they do. Open and clear communication between a company and its customers is far more important than avid fanaticism.

If you're not doing that, but still being called a white knight, you've been labeled incorrectly.

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How dare you speak sense! How dare you!

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

White Knight should totally be its own job, seperate from paladin. :p

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If SE implemented it then that means SE sure love White Knights. :)

I like you OP, you gave me a much needed laugh.

Also TrystWildkey, for being one of the only sensible, reasonable people I've seen on these forums.

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Originally Posted by Dijana

I like you OP, you gave me a much needed laugh.

Also TrystWildkey, for being one of the only sensible, reasonable people I've seen on these forums.

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/blush

Thank you. I try, I try so hard to remain reasonable and coherent. I know I've crossed the line a few times and meandered into the 'hateful' territory. That's when I try to find a thread like this where I can exert control and go back to being reasonable :D

Oops wrong post

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Originally Posted by ZakarnRosewood

The White Knight

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http://i.imgur.com/SU6Ccdv.jpg
"In Your Eyes"

Read this in a Jeff Foxworthy voice for effect:
If you are attacking people who post a complaint or suggestion: You are a White Knight.
If you are defending an extremely unpopular game function or the game itself: You are a white knight
If you think the game you are playing now is flawless: You guessed it, you are a white knnight

We used to call those people forum trolls.

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Originally Posted by Ehllfhire

If you are attacking people who post a complaint or suggestion: You are a White Knight.
If you are defending an extremely unpopular game function or the game itself: You are a white knight
If you think the game you are playing now is flawless: You guessed it, you are a white knight

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Do the following qualify for knighthood?

Attacking people who post an unreasonable complaint or suggestion? Completely disregarding human/hardware/software/time/physics and speed of light limitations?
Defending an unpopular game function that actually serves a purpose when taken together with how the whole of the game's mechanics work together?
If I don't necessarily think the game is flawless, but am enjoying myself immensely while playing it, and understand that NOTHING is perfect when it is first available? Also understanding that the amount of work they've done already is staggering and should be appreciated?

Let me know! While you deliberate, I'll start considering my coat of arms :p

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Originally Posted by Ehllfhire

If you are attacking people who post a complaint or suggestion: You are a White Knight.

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Originally Posted by Ehllfhire

Are you plugging your brain into the game? Otherwise you wouldnever feel attacks....

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Originally Posted by Ehllfhire

If you are defending an extremely unpopular game function or the game itself: You are a white knight

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Originally Posted by Ehllfhire

Should just afk like I did I played all weekend

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So.... white knight? If you don't like that title, I can also call you the pot who's met a kettle.

That's ignoring the fact that those standards basically say "If you don't agree with me, you're bad."

White Knights of the Round Table hits General Discussion for 9999 dmg.

Disclaimer: Square Enix is awesome.

IMO When a customer defends X company about that companies errors and mistakes than that is a white knight.

For example the error 401 and 601 is not a customer error is Square enix error
And people Still defends this ? That's a white knight.

When you see the general Shout Blatantly hijacked from gamers by gill sellers and Square don't do anything about it and people defend it? That's a White knight

When we report boots and hackers and Square don't do anything about it, and people defend it? That's a White knight

So if you after seeing all the boots , the gill selling SHOUT (not even whisper) SHOUT and Square not doing anything about it and you defend this, then you sir are a White Knight.
It's clear isn't it?

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Originally Posted by TrystWildkey

Do the following qualify for knighthood?

Attacking people who post an unreasonable complaint or suggestion? Completely disregarding human/hardware/software/time/physics and speed of light limitations?
Defending an unpopular game function that actually serves a purpose when taken together with how the whole of the game's mechanics work together?
If I don't necessarily think the game is flawless, but am enjoying myself immensely while playing it, and understand that NOTHING is perfect when it is first available? Also understanding that the amount of work they've done already is staggering and should be appreciated?

Let me know! While you deliberate, I'll start considering my coat of arms :p

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Oh pshaww. Everyone knows that if you're not a White Knight, you're always right.

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Originally Posted by darthkyron

IMO When a customer defends X company about that companies errors and mistakes than that is a white knight.


When you see the general Shout Blatantly hijacked from gamers by gill sellers and Square don't do anything about it and people defend it? That's a White knight

When we report boots and hackers and Square don't do anything about it, and people defend it? That's a White knight

So if you after seeing all the boots , the gill selling SHOUT (not even whisper) SHOUT and Square not doing anything about it and you defend this, then you sir are a White Knight.
It's clear isn't it?

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Except that all those people defending SE is because SE has ALWAYS been doing something about it. I'm sorry that you don't read any official posts but they have been banning hundreds of accounts, been implementing chat filters on a constant basis and ffs there is basic game design in place to try to combat them from the get go.

I mean seriously.. Use a little reason if SE was doing nothing why do I keep having to add more to my blacklist? Maybe because the others are banned? Also you can check out an interview in Reinharts translation thread about what SE has been doing about it. Apparently (as we all know) they are persistent little buggers and are circumventing SEs continual chat filters just as continually by using strange characters and the like.

I am not a white knight i just enjoy the game and realize the people currently working on it love the game and have put their hearts into it so i will support it, i can live with issues i understand they will fix them in fact they have in many cases resolved many of the issues that plagued the game at start.

i am not defending the company but the devs i do get the feeling they really care about this game and have put their all into this, if you can't understand that well i won't try to convince you because that's not even worth the effort some would rather complain because thats all they do in life bounce from one game to another and constantly complain about everything in most cases it is valid this is the first game where the devs truly show love for mmo's and the players they are working to please.

On the Subject of billing issue's i had no problem was billed correctly never got an error msg and have my 90 day rewards, so guess by me saying that it makes me a bad guy according to those who have had issues.

Personally, I think the term "White Knight" is mostly used to dismiss someone's positive argument about a topic. Its a way to ignore any good points someone might make about something that they enjoy.

Alternately, I think the term "Troll" is used in the same manner. Its a way to dismiss someones distaste for something. When people call another a troll, there are times where they make good points but then they are dismissed as a troll so as not to be taken seriously. Rokien comes to mind. As much as I disliked the way he phrased things he did have some valid points on occasion.

Granted there are times where either label does apply, some people like to get a rise out of others so they knowingly say something that will "stir the pot" (SSM comes to mind). And there are times where people will defend something to the death because they are either emotionally invested in the topic or they see things through a distorted lens with blinders on, ignoring any and all evidence to the contrary.

Either way, There is more to a person than what can be gleaned from a single post. While I may seem the white knight in some aspects, I am not without my share of complaints. There are things I would like to see changed and things I'm content with. Above all, I believe its not what you are saying but how you say it. The one thing I cannot stand are people being unnecessarily cruel, rude, abrasive, or refuse to hold a dialogue in which ideas are shared and listened to. If all you are going to do is defend your position (positive or negative) even in the face of good evidence to the contrary or just outright ignore it, then what is the point of even saying anything in the first place.

Just my 2gil.

I always laugh when I see the posts "I'm leaving, this game sucks" then see many more posts form the user after the fact. Its like taking a huge turd the running around your office telling everyone how nasty it is and trying to show everyone. Most people when they take a big nasty turd simply flush the toilet and walk away (maybe spray some air freshener to get the foul stench out of the air.)

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/6...tdancing2u.gif

The kicker here is that everybody is using the term incorrectly in the first place. Not come across a single correct usage of "White Knight" in these forums.