[dev1030] maps need to be narrower

Just some ranting, tell me what you think.

The current areas bore me to death. The ammount of copy paste make everything miscelaneous. In XI I'd actually go "woah" and stare at a waterfall as I crossed across the bridge, there were places people would automatically use as landmarks for gathering together. You'd feel the urgency of avoiding mobs and not just outrunning them.

This is missing on XIV and I think its due to two or three things.

First of all, the lack of beastmen. But even with no aggresive goblins there are plenty of aggresive mobs in the general areas.
But why don't they feel as threatening? I think this is because the areas are too much of open spaces. You can pretty much avoid everything there is by taking a small detour.
This also takes attention from places that might be considered landmarks because people don't all take the same paths in such wide open spaces (that and because anima kills things like this).

There's the issue that its far too easy to outrun an aggresive mob.
I don't even know how to address this. They run too slow considering the distance they give up chasing maybe? At most you get hit a few times, but running in a misc derection usually means you have nothing to worry about.

If maps were narrower you'd be forced to deal with these mobs, to wait on them to be turned around in order to pass and so!

Well, my two cents.

There is a lack of aggressive monsters at that starter area's I agree, but I think this intentionally done.

Many of the dungeons like Tam-Tara, Mistbeard and Copperbell all have aggressive monsters and narrow pathing.

Getting to Broken Water with all those Buzzards and Mitelings is kind of tough aswell, especially if you are lower level.

So yea there are places that do have aggressive monsters they just aren't around the starting area's.

Youve apparently never walked past a level 70 mob on accident hiding behind a cliff that then does 4000 damage to you on your way to camp drybone have you? There is tons of aggro in this game, and the fact that every mob has a ranged attack just makes it a living hell. Try going to Mor dhona and getting from the start of the area to the end.

Have you tried tolerating the Black Shroud's trenches for a week, day in and day out? Trust me, you do not want narrow passageways unless it makes sense. And the Black Shroud does not make sense, in the context of sensible game design.

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

Have you tried tolerating the Black Shroud's trenches for a week, day in and day out? Trust me, you do not want narrow passageways unless it makes sense. And the Black Shroud does not make sense, in the context of sensible game design.

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I was talking with something more similar to northern gustaberg in mind

http://www.ffxi-atlas.com/maps_norma...berg-north.jpg

narrower doesn't mean hallways.

I think filling the maps we have now with content would be better than making them smaller.

I can't stand the copy paste enviroments either, this game is just bland and ugly. I just don't think that is ever going to change and if it dosen't i won't ever be paying to play this. I will just continue to play the far superior and far prettier FF XI.

The enemies are ridiculous to, i do not want to spend 50 ranks fighting rats and dodos. There is rarely a sense of danger in this game because the enemies are all pathetic harmless animals that don't even aggro. I know there are some more impressive enemies but they just seem to few and far between. I actually did ecounter some rank 83 enemies the other day. I would like to see someone try to fight those, but why are they even there if we can't defeat them?

I'm guessing that SE is going to release more scary/hostile upon the land once the 7th astral era begins. I say this because SE updated the text for battlewardens saying how once passive enemies have now become hostile. So I think SE is trying to give us a reason why we have to fight the friendly looking mobs until the real enemies get here

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Originally Posted by Zahak

I'm guessing that SE is going to release more scary/hostile upon the land once the 7th astral era begins. I say this because SE updated the text for battlewardens saying how once passive enemies have now become hostile. So I think SE is trying to give us a reason why we have to fight the friendly looking mobs until the real enemies get here

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Currently I feel behests are the way they are because we are at peace. It's like behest has turned into a game where adventurers just practice their skills in a battle with others. I'm hoping once chaos strikes the behest will become serious and we get beastmen tribe parties instead..

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Originally Posted by Xzen

I think filling the maps we have now with content would be better than making them smaller.

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uh. I'm not sure what you mean by filling them with content. Please elaborate.

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Originally Posted by Majidah

uh. I'm not sure what you mean by filling them with content. Please elaborate.

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Things to do. Right now the only parts of the map that have anything to do in them are the areas directly around the camps and gates. In Thanalan there is an Al Mihigo refugee camp and nothing to do there. there are some missions that take you to the Hamlets but they are still largely unused. Beastmen camps and roaming beastmen war parties could patrol the areas. NMs, Quest NPCs. All just examples of how they could fill it up and make it less boring.

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Originally Posted by Xzen

Things to do. Right now the only parts of the map that have anything to do in them are the areas directly around the camps and gates. In Thanalan there is an Al Mihigo refugee camp and nothing to do there. there are some missions that take you to the Hamlets but they are still largely unused. Beastmen camps and roaming beastmen war parties could patrol the areas. NMs, Quest NPCs. All just examples of how they could fill it up and make it less boring.

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And these are things they say they are working on addressing, so the key here is to be patient. SE has a plan, they really don't need these "fix this" threads unless it's for something they have not discussed or it legitimately needs to be fixed and they are not aware of the problem.

You want maps to be narrower??? Are you kidding me??? The majority of people freakin hate black shroud cause its too narrow. Were in an MMO cause its a vast open world WTF lets make this a platformer instead so we have no choice but to go through aggroin mobs. Your idea is so stupid.

There's just not enough mobs that aggro in this game. All mobs level 10 and less should not aggro on sight, 50% of level 11 to 25 should aggro, 75% of level 26 to 35 should aggro and 99% lvl 36+ should be aggro on sight.

But yeah i do agree there is way to many copy paste in maps, they look cool when ur a noob but quickly realize how lazy the dev were when they made them.

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Originally Posted by Xeno

And these are things they say they are working on addressing, so the key here is to be patient. SE has a plan, they really don't need these "fix this" threads unless it's for something they have not discussed or it legitimately needs to be fixed and they are not aware of the problem.

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Yup. Just giving the op some examples of better ways to go about fixing the problem with out making our world smaller.

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Originally Posted by Xzen

Yup. Just giving the op some examples of better ways to go about fixing the problem with out making our world smaller.

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Oh, I know. My comment was more or less directed at OP and all others who post these "Fix it my way pl0x" threads.

They said they be fixing the copy/paste issue and remake a few maps like the wood city.

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Originally Posted by Xeno

Oh, I know. My comment was more or less directed at OP and all others who post these "Fix it my way pl0x" threads.

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I am sure Square Enix is grateful for all feedback and suggestions. Who are you to say what they need?

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Originally Posted by Akira_Tenshi

I am sure Square Enix is grateful for all feedback and suggestions. Who are you to say what they need?

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I think his point is they already have changes to the maps coming so everything we are talking about could already be changed.

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Originally Posted by Xzen

I think his point is they already have changes to the maps coming so everything we are talking about could already be changed.

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This. Just like how everyone keeps suggesting stuff to change battle yet SE has repeatedly said that they are completely overhauling the battle system.

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Originally Posted by Magiksmurf

You want maps to be narrower??? Are you kidding me??? The majority of people freakin hate black shroud cause its too narrow. Were in an MMO cause its a vast open world WTF lets make this a platformer instead so we have no choice but to go through aggroin mobs. Your idea is so stupid.

There's just not enough mobs that aggro in this game. All mobs level 10 and less should not aggro on sight, 50% of level 11 to 25 should aggro, 75% of level 26 to 35 should aggro and 99% lvl 36+ should be aggro on sight.

But yeah i do agree there is way to many copy paste in maps, they look cool when ur a noob but quickly realize how lazy the dev were when they made them.

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Narrower doesn't mean Black Shroud narrow, chill out, makes you look stupid when you react like an idiot. She/He explained that narrow in the sense that FFXI's maps were narrow. TC I don't necessarily agree but I agree with you on everything else and the maps need to be different, its stupid design when you take an entire area and make it completely possible to rank up to cap in that one area and make the entire area look the exact same.

And SE, for the record, this game wont be successful unless you make the maps more interesting and you should make them more interesting and they should be high up on your priorities too alongside content and battle changes.

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Originally Posted by Xeno

This. Just like how everyone keeps suggesting stuff to change battle yet SE has repeatedly said that they are completely overhauling the battle system.

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Yea truthfully most suggestions or "fixes" probably won't work or be heard since whatever SE is doing is already in motion now. It's not like when these forums first opened up and they were still at the round table with ideas.