Things your tank requests from you

I've finally gotten around to doing a dungeon in 2.0 since I've started over. I ran the dungeon about 10 times, and keep running into the same issues. So I'm here to let you know what you can do to make the tank able to do their job better.

Back line jobs, STAY BACK! Do not pull monsters and attack recklessly. It might not end badly when you're fighting something easy, but when you get to higher levels, it can be dangerous. It's a good habit to have.

Front line jobs, STAY BACK until the tank establishes hate and gets a couple hits in, then go in. Don't attack at the same time and unleash a wave of fury, then wonder why the tank can't keep the monsters off you.

There is party structure in FFXIV, it's not a free for all. I understand this may be new to some people. I almost lost my mind at a THM yesterday who decided he would be the one to pull everything, after he was repetitively asked by me and other party members to stay back.

The monsters hit only the tank, the healer only has to heal the tank, which makes their job infinitely easier and helps them conserve mp for when things get hairy.

I was one of those to pull some mobs though that was only on low level guildhests and the odd low level instance till i learnt how multi agro works, though if people actually use party chat to say what's going on then yeah that always helps, though if someone incapable of reading and listening then yeah...times like that when kicking and replacing should really be in the game.

Great post! And useful tips!

I've re-rolled on Odin to play with my friends (since SE won't release server transfer yet...) and I was doing Copperbell Mines and I finally found the first misbehaving players. It were 3 of us from my FC and this archer. He kept pulling mobs and attacking while I was still running. I even died because of him pulling too much and I had to make sure they wouldn't go for the healer. After that we all asked him politely to go easy and wait for me to pull, he just told us to shut up and heal/dps. In the last boss he decided he could slack and just watch. It was very frustrating and my first bad experience while tanking in this game. I don't like to lecture people on how to play their classes, but I would expect them to at least let me do my job. This is the last time I use DF, unless I can get a full FC group I'm skipping dungeons. Not worth it to have a terrible experience so someone else I don't even know can get ahead with their quest. Sorry, Community.

I run exclusively with my Gladiator boyfriend, thus the only requests I ever get from the tank are not suitable for a public forum...

*ba dum tsh*

Honestly though, as a former tank in a different game, my single biggest pet peeve was when a party member got aggro and then ran *away* from me. It's like "........ They're not going to leash unless you run all the way back to the entrance; is that what you were in fact planning to do?"

Things we request from our tanks:

Mark targets. We can't hit what the tank refuses to establish, and the casters can't sleep or repose which you keep hitting to try to "build aggro." Flash works on slept targets, but so does healing aggro, so maintain Flash and don't break my sleeps!

Don't pretend you're the boss of the dungeon. 5:8 runs I've done with pugged tanks they didn't know their hand from their arse, and they needed their hand held through the content just as much as new DPS.

If the healer says "stop," STOP. Your survival depends on the healer's state to protect you. You rush in when they are trying to cast Protect/Proshell or put Stoneskin on you, you're gonna suffer. That causes more healing, and thus more healing aggro YOU have to deal with. You are one part of a team, you are not ALL of the team with some NPCs along to damage/heal for you.

My personal pet peeve is when anyone gets in front of me during a dungeon and I warn people constantly that if they get ahead of me and get aggro then I will leave them to die. Had one too many parties almost die because some bumbling chucklefuck decided to pull more monsters than wanted.

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Originally Posted by SpiritedMare

Honestly though, as a former tank in a different game, my single biggest pet peeve was when a party member got aggro and then ran *away* from me. It's like "........ They're not going to leash unless you run all the way back to the entrance; is that what you were in fact planning to do?"

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I tend to stand back and laugh when the black mage, it's always the black mage, does this. Like "You want him off of you right?! Then come over here and let me... No? Okay you have fun running away now."

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Originally Posted by Balaur

Things we request from our tanks:
Don't pretend you're the boss of the dungeon. 5:8 runs I've done with pugged tanks they didn't know their hand from their arse, and they needed their hand held through the content just as much as new DPS.

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Woah there, not sure if you understand what you're saying there... I'M THE FUCKING TANK!
On a serious note, if you are new to a dungeon then ask for help. Once you have done an instance a couple times and got a good feel for it then you can be GodKing OverTank, just make sure you aren't telling people who know what is going on what to do cause that causes friction.

I just had another run and it was my worst yet. The whm was constantly running ahead and getting agro even after I repeatively asked them to stay back. Then someone used the limit break and they typed out a long "how dare you we need that for the boss" speach, at which point I died because we were still mid battle, and I needed heals. I debated dropping the party right then and there, but didn't. Then no one touched the grates after I repeatively asked them, there were 15 adds, i was running around like crazy trying to get them. It was a less than great time.

There doesn't need to be a boss, if everyone knows how to do their job. However, as the tank, I am the leader. If you go in front of me time after time, I'm not going to keep saving your ass when you keep pulling agro. I don't care if you've done it a million times, you don't pass the tank.

Actually, the main problem I have with pug or DF tank is, they tank at locations during boss fights I am not comfortable with. I can tell them to switch but it seems impossible.

Also, the more the tank can keep the boss still the higher the DPS that melee can produced.

Ive seen tanks try to kite tank mobs that don't need it, im not sure if its just for fun or what. Don't think the tank realizes that the dragoons and monks need to hit from the side and back to do good dps.

Marking mobs is a must, unless its an obvious 3 mob pull with one big mob that does aoe and two small mobs. Big pulls its a must though.


From what Ive seen, what people need to know is that provoke doesn't work on some bosses. Let the tank run in alone, get a GCD off or two before DD rushes in and starts going to work. Healer might be wise to not heal during this time as well.

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Originally Posted by StrangerousDangerous

Ive seen tanks try to kite tank mobs that don't need it, im not sure if its just for fun or what. Don't think the tank realizes that the dragoons and monks need to hit from the side and back to do good dps.

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Not to mention that when things are moving it is almost impossible to hit them unless you're right on top of them or in front of them.

I play with my bf, and he tells me that if I can't steal hate, I'm doing a poor job as a DD. Also if nobody is moving just go, and if I die I die. He likes excitement, and puts everyone on the edge.

don't regen ur tank on trash. its annoying chasing mobs cause that one tick pulled everything off u on the pull.

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Originally Posted by Balaur

Things we request from our tanks:

Don't pretend you're the boss of the dungeon. 5:8 runs I've done with pugged tanks they didn't know their hand from their arse, and they needed their hand held through the content just as much as new DPS.

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I am sorry to hear you have had bad experiences with tank, but the bottom line is, the tank IS the boss of the dungeon. In fact, in many MMO's, the tank is given the team lead. The tank LEADS the party and you as a DPS will FOLLOW HIS INSTRUCTIONS. This is MMO 101.

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If the healer says "stop," STOP. Your survival depends on the healer's state to protect you. You rush in when they are trying to cast Protect/Proshell or put Stoneskin on you, you're gonna suffer. That causes more healing, and thus...

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This isn't a thread about what we want from tanks, read the title or gtfo.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

I play with my bf, and he tells me that if I can't steal hate, I'm doing a poor job as a DD. Also if nobody is moving just go, and if I die I die. He likes excitement, and puts everyone on the edge.

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It sounds like your BF doesn't know anything about this game (or MMOs in general).

If a DPS is pulling hate off the tank, the DPS is doing horrible at his/her job. You are not a tank, why would you divert damage from the tank to yourself? You should honestly break up with your boyfriend and date someone with a brain.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

I play with my bf, and he tells me that if I can't steal hate, I'm doing a poor job as a DD. Also if nobody is moving just go, and if I die I die. He likes excitement, and puts everyone on the edge.

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Actually, the DD MUST watch for the aggro bar. If it's filling too fast he is either attacking another mob other than the tank's or he have to slow down a bit. Aoe taunt takes too much mp and the tank have to rotate some mp regen if he plans on keep spaming. A good tank play it safe, keeping everything under control and making the healer's and the dps's lives easier. See, it's not babysitting, it's doing his job. A tank only creates trouble and unnecessary stress for his group by putting them "on the edge".

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Current-Tanks.

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The only thing I as a tank have ever outright requested from a party was to stay the eff back for the love of god, because if I'm trying to be sneaky and do systematic pulls to control the mobs and they run in right behind me, it kind of ruins the whole "shield lobs while running like hell backwards so other mobs don't pick up the threat" idea.

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Originally Posted by Balaur

Things we request from our tanks:

Mark targets. We can't hit what the tank refuses to establish, and the casters can't sleep or repose which you keep hitting to try to "build aggro." Flash works on slept targets, but so does healing aggro, so maintain Flash and don't break my sleeps!

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this request you can do your self.
i ran as healer and marked the mobs for the tank.
i even asked if he wanted to do the job since i tough i took it away from him and he said glady: no, just do it.

should be the one with experience who marks. dont need to be the tank.

i ran a EASY dungeon and i was stuck with people who had NEVER done it and i had to mark the targets for them to make it easyer for me and for us to be able to make the dungeon( in the end we failed).

i was running as healer.

dont need to force the job on someone when anyone can do it.

Tanks... the boss?? PFTTT... lol HAHAHAHAHA [IMG]http://www.laymarks.com/l/m/m146.gif[/IMG]
You know all of you are but mere minions for us the healers to do our deeds for us. We are the TRUE leaders of parties, not the other way around silly pets.

But seriously, all roles plays a very crucial role in a dungeon. Sometimes a specific role gets more importance depending on what type of strategy is required. Anyways a leader can be anybody, as long as others follow the instructions.

Each job has a role, if you get rid of the tank, everyone dies, if you get rid of hte dps, you fight the same mob for 3 days, if you get rid of hte healer everyone dies. So everyone has to do the job that they are responsible for.

DPS should be able to pull the hate off the tank. However a good dps will do as much dps as possible, just short of pulling the hate off the tank.

If I'm not advancing, I'm waiting for tp to regen so I can do hate moves. They're very tp intensive, and without tp, I can't do them and keep the hate on me. So if you see me waiting for a few seconds, don't take that as a sign for you to go and pull the monsters yourself.