Summoner & Fates

Am I the only one that thinks summoners are seriously terrible at fates with lots of monsters? They die too quick, and little to no credit is given because dots do nothing in that time (if you even got chance to get miasma and bio II out) and ruins damage is terrible compared to other classes spam skills.

We have no way of damaging monsters quickly to get credit like most if not all of the other classes.

Am I doing something wrong? Please don't say "use bane more" because things die too quickly for all 3 dots to be applied and then bane spreads to maybe 2 more because its spread radius is absolutely miniscule.

Any tips, hints ect would be appreciated. It's driving me bonkers getting no credit from these fates while everyone else is getting max points because they have instant skills and massive aoes.

I agree, our lack of DPS burst makes it hard for us to compete with other classes in Fates

Ruin II + Energy Drain can provide some burst if things are dying quickly. Your best bet is to join a party, and tab + Ruin II (or Bio in the lower levels) as much as possible. Miasma IIing where things spawn could also get you by, once you're high enough to do that. On Bosses you should be able to play normally.

If you dont have bio II, try to join a party, its easier and youll earn nice exp

It does suck at the lower levels a bit, but once you get Miasma II things become infinitely easier. Until then I just spammed Bio while I tabbed and it worked just fine for me.

Another alternative is to borrow skills from the class it's linked to.

From what I learned as a summoner in fates are two things.
- Ruin II and Energy drain are excellent skills to grab mobs fast and deal damage.
- Summoners have one set of skills that none of the other classes do not have. A summon egi. Take advantage of it.
My carbuncle/ifrit/titan do fairly well in grabbing mobs first and doing damage. For all you summoners out there,
LEARN how to use your egi summons. There is a reason why there's a steady, guard, sic, heel and so forth. It's
your "2nd half" of your job.
I do believe titan and ifrit have their own little Aoe skills you can use too.

To be honest, you dont even have to do a large amount of contribution to get
the average rewards from fates.

Also...bio + bane.

We have the best group AoE pull aside from Bards, and even then possibly better, because Rain of Death has a delay.

I didn't fate a summoner, but rather a scholar. Scholars have the ability to cross skill over Aero, which is a guaranteed 100% participation on any FATE with tons of monsters. Tab -> aero -> tab -> aero. I did this until I got Ruin II, which has the same effect (and is instant cast as well). :)

The only FATEs I struggle to get gold on these days are boss FATEs. For some reason, I have a difficult time with those. But multi-monster FATEs? I love seeing those- easiest XP for our class.

It was like that for my THM before I got Scathe and even then you have to hit the mob like 3 times to get credit for it, it's pretty dumb.

Wait for Miasma II, then spam away for Gold Achievement on every FATE for maximum EXP. :) Until then, join up a party and Ruin / Ruin II everything.

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Originally Posted by jruu

- Summoners have one set of skills that none of the other classes do not have. A summon egi. Take advantage of it.
My carbuncle/ifrit/titan do fairly well in grabbing mobs first and doing damage. For all you summoners out there,
LEARN how to use your egi summons. There is a reason why there's a steady, guard, sic, heel and so forth. It's
your "2nd half" of your job.

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Tagging and enmity is what seems to matter most for participation. If you haven't noticed, mobs don't actually get tagged to you when just your Egi attacks it until you attack it yourself. Contrary to popular belief, damage done doesn't seem all that important for participation scores.

I have virtually no issues, ever, getting gold in FATES unless I show up late. Even then, I can usually muster a silver in 10-15s.

Ruin II spam. Bio + Bane. Energy Drain. For boss FATES, you can also generate participation by healing the person tanking the boss.

It's not hard.

Tab - bio - tab -bio. Especially if you get a newly spawned one.

Titan can effectively tank most solo boss fates.

I've only had a problem getting gold as SMN when I either got there late or the fate was being zerged by mulitple parties and I wasn't in one.

I can do fates where I hardly ever get the xp from the monster kill but still get gold.

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Originally Posted by Seraphi

Tagging and enmity is what seems to matter most for participation. If you haven't noticed, mobs don't actually get tagged to you when just your Egi attacks it until you attack it yourself. Contrary to popular belief, damage done doesn't seem all that important for participation scores.

I have virtually no issues, ever, getting gold in FATES unless I show up late. Even then, I can usually muster a silver in 10-15s.

Ruin II spam. Bio + Bane. Energy Drain. For boss FATES, you can also generate participation by healing the person tanking the boss.

It's not hard.

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not for healers, at least in the hate generation part

I'm a summoner and originally had problems with this. However, I figured a couple things out that helped out:

1) Boss monster Fates are the best for us for obvious reasons.
2) Spam BIO to claim on multi-mob fates. This isn't as hard as it sounds. Keep your tab cycling, and hit bio when you rest on an orange/yellow named fate monster. You don't even need to claim that many mobs to get full gold.
3) Don't worry about DPS'ing the mobs...just focus on claiming. IF you claim, you get full credit.
4) Keep Emerald out. When you DO get the chance to DPS (i.e. all the mobs are claimed and you just gotta do your thing), Emerald is the most efficient since he can cast from where he is and doesn't waste time walking to the target.
5) BIO BIO BIO BIO: It's your friend. Even when you're dps'ing, bio is faster as damage procs relatively quickly after it's [instant] cast. I can easily get gold even if I have trouble claiming just by spamming bio.

i just spam bio 1 and get full xp. and if mobs dont appear on my screen cause so many ppl i just spam miasma 2

Spam Miasma 2 and pray.

Or energy drain or Aero.