a way to fix our classes?

Yes this is pretty much an idea of subjobs from ff11 o well subjobs worked

what im thinking is destroy everything we have defined as our current classes instead
make real jobs like pld war whm blm rdm defined jobs that work. then lets introduce the current classes they have now as a sub class, and the subclasses will have passive skills while pld wars and that will have skills like cure and voke.

mar could give bonus att
lanc could give bonus crit dmg
thm is higher magic damage
so on so on
while this might make them have defined jobs to equip them with they could give them all bonus states for each job they are with like
pld/mar could get 10% att and the bonus is a voke
while a rdm/mar could get 10% att and hp drain?
so that each build could be a unique for differnt situations. its a half thought out thing lol but if u have feed back good or bad say it :p

I say remove names from current classes and leave them as their weapon names. Use weapons to learn Weapon skills only. Add Jobs with which you can learn skill's, abilities and traits. Then allow you a system where you can pick one other job to combine with your current job but it would only be half the level.

Oh wait.......

But seriously with the Job System coming I do hope that they strip back what they need to and put those skills on the Job's then use the Jobs for specific traits like Double Attack, Attack Boost, Defence Boost and things like that.

Like if they put BLM in then take Ancient Magic away from CON and put it on BLM only things like that.

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Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd

I say remove names from current classes and leave them as their weapon names. Use weapons to learn Weapon skills only. Add Jobs with which you can learn skill's, abilities and traits. Then allow you a system where you can pick one other job to combine with your current job but it would only be half the level.

Oh wait.......

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Lol
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Opinions are like assholes. We all have them and they all stink.

Kidding,

But seriously, although the system needs work, I am getting tired of hearing everyones opinion about it like they have the magic fix.

Its been 3 days since the last "I know how to fix it" thread.

/shrug

then dont go into these threads mog :p

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

Opinions are like assholes. We all have them and they all stink.

Kidding,

But seriously, although the system needs work, I am getting tired of hearing everyones opinion about it like they have the magic fix.

Its been 3 days since the last "I know how to fix it" thread.

/shrug

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Then we better make some more as we have fallen behind on our "I know how to fix it" thread quota :p

haha.

Fair enough ^^

No offense meant by it, Keep the ideas coming I suppose, SE can use the help ^^

I hate how we've gone from enjoying "Building a Character" and now complain that "all the classes are bland and not unique" We're supposed to be building Unique Characters not Unique Classes.

Level everything to 50 and then make your own class.

That's how I'm doing it.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

I hate how we've gone from enjoying "Building a Character" and now complain that "all the classes are bland and not unique" We're supposed to be building Unique Characters not Unique Classes.

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But that is the problem no characters are unique because we are all the same with all the same skills that we have cross classed from all the classes. If they physical level system worked properly and I could build my thunder archer great but it doesn't ; ;

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

Level everything to 50 and then make your own class.

That's how I'm doing it.

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And that is pretty much the way to do it ^^

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Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd

But that is the problem no characters are unique because we are all the same with all the same skills that we have cross classed from all the classes. If they physical level system worked properly and I could build my thunder archer great but it doesn't ; ;

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So fix those problems, don't try and "break" the current system by removing it.

If you want to be a Thunder Archer then once the job system comes out you should be able to use Black Mage and Archer together to perform that task.

Cairdeas, Did I mention that you have the first logical head I have seen in the FFXIV community thus far?

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

So fix those problems, don't try and "break" the current system by removing it.

If you want to be a Thunder Archer then once the job system comes out you should be able to use Black Mage and Archer together to perform that task.

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and that is why I suggested what I suggested in post number 2.

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But seriously with the Job System coming I do hope that they strip back what they need to and put those skills on the Job's then use the Jobs for specific traits like Double Attack, Attack Boost, Defence Boost and things like that.

Like if they put BLM in then take Ancient Magic away from CON and put it on BLM only things like that.

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That is not breaking it or removing it, that is fixing it.

maybe arcanist will solve your thunfer archer dreams, suggest ideas that will create something you want to play, rather than something that will be like something you played before.
Charachter uniqueness can come from jobs, or traits without sacrificing the good parts about what armory brings to the table.

If charachters had unique movements for thier own weapon skills, that alone would make people feel like classes were unique, after all dragon kick felt like some special monk skill, when really all it was was 2 hit weaponskill. howling fist? thats just a 1 hit weapon skill, dime a dozen.

I remember early on when they said that your elemntal affinities would effect things on multiple jobs, maybe that needs to happen. I really like ideas that make us better, i dont think we gain much gameplay wise by limiting ourselves even more, how is that entertaining?
If you took all the cross class skills off your lancer, would it be more fun, or less fun? i think the answer is probably less fun. and youd be even more bland run of the mill lancer, you will also have the same stats as everyone else probably if people have what they want.

why get mad at cookie cutter builds, if you want to them to force us into cookie cutter builds?

maybe even if we have certain jbos with sub classes tha tcould unlock bonus spells?

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maybe arcanist will solve your thunfer archer dreams, suggest ideas that will create something you want to play, rather than something that will be like something you played before.
Charachter uniqueness can come from jobs, or traits without sacrificing the good parts about what armory brings to the table.

If charachters had unique movements for thier own weapon skills, that alone would make people feel like classes were unique, after all dragon kick felt like some special monk skill, when really all it was was 2 hit weaponskill. howling fist? thats just a 1 hit weapon skill, dime a dozen.

I remember early on when they said that your elemntal affinities would effect things on multiple jobs, maybe that needs to happen. I really like ideas that make us better, i dont think we gain much gameplay wise by limiting ourselves even more, how is that entertaining?
If you took all the cross class skills off your lancer, would it be more fun, or less fun? i think the answer is probably less fun. and youd be even more bland run of the mill lancer, you will also have the same stats as everyone else probably if people have what they want.

why get mad at cookie cutter builds, if you want to them to force us into cookie cutter builds?

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I only said "strip back what they need too" ie Ancient Magic and put it on BLM as that is what BLM's are known for. I never said anything about stripping back all of LNC's abilities, I just meant ones that at are staples of traditional Job's IF SE implement them with the new Job System they have mentioned.

For the record I have never played a Thunder Archer, hell I have never played an Archer at all until FFXIV but the point was that the Physical Level system was supposed to allow me to do that by stacking points into thunder to create my unique Archer. I tried that along with stacking INT and PIE and my Thunder Archer still sucked ; ;

to take something that has been floating around, that cairdara i think suggested,

Blm job
+20 to attack magic abilities
10% more mp
-30 to heal effectiveness
and some special skills that are blm only, and you could use this with whatever discipline you want.
the bonus would be like the +discipline skills you get from jobs that increase effectiveness, but it would go past the 100 cap.
now lets say arc exists, and allows you to create en type circles, much like the opening video.
with those systems you could get thunder arrows, shock spikes, and a thunder spell that is almost as effective as a conjurers thunder right now (-the maatck on the bow but this may be able to be changed with materia) and your playstyle would be similar to archer.
now if a conjurer used this his attack magic would go up to 120 versus your 80 (assuming that base is 50 if not your main discipline, and you leveled con and got the +10 one, in addition to your blm +20) so your not taking the blms role as super blm but you have a pretty unique class with a focus on thunder magic and the execution of an archer, with an en spell your general damage would be physical and elemental, and your stats set to thunder would make you be able to compete with other archers, but in a different way.

just a possibility.

Which is why I said the Job System should make jobs have Job Specific traits.

yea, but id let you use flare, it would be like 40 less effective and your mp pool wouldnt be as high, but it would be an option. of course min maxers might not like your playstyle.

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But that is the problem no characters are unique because we are all the same with all the same skills that we have cross classed from all the classes. If they physical level system worked properly and I could build my thunder archer great but it doesn't ; ;

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That's how I feel.. we just need a stronger dose of what we have now, not less freedom.

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yea, but id let you use flare, it would be like 40 less effective and your mp pool wouldnt be as high, but it would be an option. of course min maxers might not like your playstyle.

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Yeah but I believe Ancient Magic belongs with BLM, as thats their thing. Having said that maybe that is why Ancient Magic is so lame atm ^^

Edit - Are you Joking min maxers would love my Thunder Archer as it would be the most OP class in the game :p

The current argument is that no matter what, if you have the skill, it's just as effective no matter what class you are.

That's bullshit. DoW can't AoE heal, they don't have the resources to main heal, but it's still a nice thing to have on your bar but by all means leave it off if you don't want it. I don't require my tanks to have sacrifice II, but if they happen to have it on their bar that's fine. Some spells and abilities are class restrictive as it is. Speed surge, tranquility. Extend that to spells down the line, but leave what is alone for now.

For example, Protect III/Shell III can be conjurer locked.
Sacrifice III could be Thau locked.
Aren't rank 50 abilities also locked in? I think it would be utter crap if I couldn't use certain abilities, or have my stats where I like them, just so the few of you can feel like the unique snowflakes you think you are.

Honestly? No one really cares what you're using to deal damage. Not all abilities are appropriate for the situation anyway. The more we see done with battle regiments the less whiney you'll all be about this.

Don't fix what isn't broken, at the very least wait until more information on the battle system fixes that are coming out before asking for FFXI-2

Cuz I got the magic -fix-~

we could have like 3 main jobs 5 classes war mage range classes could be light dark fire wind earth ice obviously the kind of class with mage would make it a blm rdm ice specialty earth specialty while rangers could get unique abilitys for that type and war could be drk pld so on while they dont have to stay like that classes could be light dark fire wind earth for the mage beserker mard and so on for war and others for the ranger

I know that there are many ways to fix the class system, but I disagree with scraping the old. First off the Armory system is what sets this game apart from other games, and any changes to it should be focused on the armory system. they shouldn't focus on Jobs. Rather try to fix & expand the Armory system. So while changes are needed I don't believe they should just start anew. Anyways here is a concept that I thought about.

Favor System
The Favor system is very similar to the FFXI way of Blue mage getting traits by equipping skills. What it does is by equipping the appropriate skill to the appropriate class you gain a trait. However unlike the FFXI system you would basically get a trait for every Skill instead of having to set many skills to gain a certain trait. here how my concept would work with Conjurer. (The trait is automatically equipped with the skill.)

Conjurer
Aero (Favor Trait:Increases Affinity with Wind based magic.)
Fire (Favor Trait:Increases Affinity with Fire based magic.)
Water(Favor Trait:Increases Affinity with Water based magic.)
Stone(Favor Trait:Increases Affinity with Earth based magic.)
Blizzard(Favor Trait:Increases Affinity with Ice based magic.)
Thunder(Favor Trait:Increases Affinity with Lightning based magic.)
Trance Chant (Favor Trait:Increases MACC by 5)
Cure (Favor Trait:Increases MND by 5)
Stoneskin (Favor Trait:Increases VIT by 5)
Repose (Favor Trait:Increases PIE by 5)
Shock Spikes (Favor Trait:Causes Lightning based damage to heal you)
Profundity (Favor Trait:Increases MATK by 5)
Radiance (Favor Trait:Increases Max MP by 5%)
Burn (Favor Trait:ATK +5)
etc..... you get the point.

Well, we could wait for the Job System to come and comment about the whole complex later.
Duh, winning =D