MP problems

Hello,I'm here for some advice.
Ever since about lvl30 I get to a point at boss battles where you run out of mana. At first I was so lucky to have a Bard in group and didn't feel the problem, but then it got real. They told me only use Cure I and Freecure, but Freecure almost never pops for me, at most once in all a boss fight if not even once at all. And I also take care of not overhealing and eat hi-ether potions.
I'm still running Brayflox so I have neither Regen and Shroud avalaible. I don't even know if the first helps with mana as well, still have to learn using both (and advice on those would be appreciated as well).
Thank you in advance.

Since you mentioned Brayflox, I have a question, do you use Esuna often to remove the poison? That could be the reason why you run out of mana so fast, The poison hurts a lot more the more it stacks so you end up curing more than you really need to, thus losing all your mana. It's possible that you don't notice the overhealing because the HP is dropping a lot, but you have to make sure the condition is right so you don't have to heal as much.

It's really about Mana Management and hoping your DPS and Tank are on the same page - With a good tank I can keep him up through most trash with Stoneskin + Regen. In fact you should almost always have Regen ticking on the tank as it heals more over time than Cure spam will. If you feel a bit overwhelmed with the damage the tank is taking or you have DPS that want to choose their own target you can always pick a mob not targeted by the Tank and Fluid Aura + Repose. You also have to keep in mind that many tanks and DPS still suffer from WoW-Mentality where they believe they can rush in pick up everything in 2 seconds and AoE it down. However there are many of both types who will also listen to their healer and will try to work with you...after all it does pay to be nice to the person playing whack-a-mole with your health bar. But in terms of actual assistance with basic healing - Always keep Regen up, and make sure the tank has Stoneskin before each pull.

it gets alot better later on with lvl 60-70 gear, of course it also depends on the other members of the group not getting hit too often and avoiding uneeded dmg.

I use Stoneskin before each pull, yes, but it goes away right away, sometimes I feel it's like it does no effect...is it normal?
As for Regen as I said I still haven't tried it cause what I'm running is lower level and locks it off.

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Originally Posted by Decrith

Since you mentioned Brayflox, I have a question, do you use Esuna often to remove the poison? That could be the reason why you run out of mana so fast, The poison hurts a lot more the more it stacks so you end up curing more than you really need to, thus losing all your mana. It's possible that you don't notice the overhealing because the HP is dropping a lot, but you have to make sure the condition is right so you don't have to heal as much.

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Yes, I Esuna poison right away, or at least as soon as I can (I'll heal a dying Tank before cleansing a dps). It sure doesn't help that Esuna is expensive as well, especially when people stack and get poison at the same time...I wish there was a group cleanse!

First time I ran this dungeon I ran out of mp. Tank wouldn't avoid aoe, combined with poor mana management on my part. Use esuna first if the tank is above half health to prevent the poison from ticking then use cure 1. Remove poison on party members but don't throw cures at them unless they get directly but by aoe. If poison is removed right away they will lose very little health and allow you to focus on the tank again.

Also update your gear and jewelry. Level appropriate gear is a must. Even the basic gear from the store will be better than the unique items that are 10 levels too low.

My first time was rough as well. Brayflox is quite a good teaching dungeon for healers. First, your job is to keep people alive -not at full health. Damage Dealers can be ignored until they are status effected or at half health. Use ethers as soon as you can. The timer is painful. As others suggested, esuna saves magic power. Also, communicate. Tell your party what they are doing that strains your magic points. Best of luck!

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

I use Stoneskin before each pull, yes, but it goes away right away, sometimes I feel it's like it does no effect...is it normal?
As for Regen as I said I still haven't tried it cause what I'm running is lower level and locks it off.

Yes, I Esuna poison right away, or at least as soon as I can (I'll heal a dying Tank before cleansing a dps). It sure doesn't help that Esuna is expensive as well, especially when people stack and get poison at the same time...I wish there was a group cleanse!

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I can't remember for sure what stoneskin is modified off of, but I believe it's HP or VIT, so most likely placing it on DD is a waste of time, and explains why it wears off so quick due to it not offering as much protection due to low hp/vit

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Originally Posted by Impendus

I can't remember for sure what stoneskin is modified off of, but I believe it's HP or VIT, so most likely placing it on DD is a waste of time, and explains why it wears off so quick due to it not offering as much protection due to low hp/vit

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it's a % of hp. it's basically useless on anyone but tanks(war) but i pop it on team I'm between fights. saves a little mp in the flight and let's you dot enemies first to get them down faster, also helping mp. never use in combat from my experience.

My WHM is still running Brayflox. One thing I've noticed about that dungeon (and all dungeons really) is that it really depends on the rest of the party. I had a tank that had such bad gear I almost had to spam Cure 2 on him constantly because every hit took that much MP. With a tank that can't hold hate on all mobs just burns your mp. Same thing with party members that don't get out of AoE's, it starts to get really overwhelming and you run out of MP fast.

One thing I've tried to do was glance at my buffs after every cure so I catch all the Freecures. I don't think they last very long and I tend to miss them when things are chaotic. Don't worry, it gets a little easier with Regen and I think it'll get much better when we get Shroud, don't give up!

• Try keeping your gear up to your level. (check GC often for gear upgrades)
  Sometimes the tank can be under-geared for dungeons and if you keep your gear roughly around the same level as the content you are attempting it will help lots. (I've had personal experience healing a tank in brayflux who was just getting his hp chunked.)

• Make sure the dps is not taking any unnecessary damage. (dodging the red circles) Some of the biggest drains to early mp pools can be damage that party members can avoid.

• Esuna is your best friend especially in Brayflux.

• Lastly,try to avoid AoE curing at this point unless it is an emergency. The fastest way to burn your mp is medica. Use your cure. Free cure eventually pops.

Cure is a very strong spell. It should cover the majority of dungeon healing. Add Esuna and Stoneskin and your mp pool should last quite a while.

As quite a few people have said already, a lot of your MP problems can be alleviated by having your party members play properly. For example, I just ran The Stone Vigil last night through the Duty Finder, and everyone there was new to it and didn't know a single thing (granted I know the dungeon itself isn't exactly hard, but to most people in the Duty Finder it would be lol).

The best thing about this group though, was that they knew how to play. DPS used CC, tank was great at holding threat, and everyone avoided the bad stuff on the ground. Usually only needed regen and a few cures each pull. Only death was my own on the last boss due to bad luck. After running from all the red circles on the ground, I ended up on the side he cast his breath on, only way out was through the circles that slow/damage you, thus I died. Best part though, the two BLM's we had started healing in between DPS'ing, all the way to victory. Best Duty Finder group EVER.

It gets really easy with shroud. Unless its an aoe heavy fight.. you shouldn't have mp problems at 50.

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Originally Posted by BlitzGash

It gets really easy with shroud. Unless its an aoe heavy fight.. you shouldn't have mp problems at 50.

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Agreed on shroud however PuGing will tap mana super fast if people are play poorly which happens quite often in my experience. If healer has decent gear, then it's easier to heal 'bad' maybe; I don't know yet since my gear sucks atm.

Yea ir does get better once you get shroud and at higher levels. My first Brayflox run was a nightmare as well thanks to melee dps who can't stop hugging the poison cloud on the last boss. Our mana pool is quite dependent on people not standing in crap it seems.

I ran into MP problems my first time through past 30... I moved servers to a less crowded one and started over, this time I am putting all my bonus points into Piety for extra MP. I've still run out in a few very long FATE fights but it's better. I find gear boosts both int and mind fairly well on it's own, but piety not so much.

Got WHM to 33; so far cure spamming until freecure procs for free cure ii's gives serious MP longevity.

In brayflox, abuse esuna. That gets rid of poisons which = more cures later, as well as the odd magic vurnerability debuff.

I don't think putting attribute points into piety is the way to go...