Bias Against Disciples of Magic? Yuuuuup!

Thanks for all the replies, even the rude ones! :D

Show me some proof of this statistical imbalance. A lot of anecdotal experiences is not proof, by the way.

I've seen almost nothing but magic gear and monk gear since hitting 50, but I'm not about to suggest that's because the game is biased against tanks. RNG be RNG. (See name.)

Wait until he does AK runs...he will see obscene then. On that note, I've only done like 4 Brayflox runs and seen like 3 battle mage drops while the tanks didn't get much. So yes, it is quite random. Unless you can show actual stats from the game itself.

Well, most dungeons have the same DoM gear for both healers and mages while there's BRD gear(DEX), MNK gear(STR med armor), Tank gear(heavy armor), "DRG gear"(that they can't need because its also heavy armor O_o). The accessories tend to split between healers and mages while grouping MNK and DRG together since fewer dungeon accessories have int and mnd while MNK and DRG both care about STR. So, yeah its going to seem like low-mid level mage gear is a rarer drop when it has a ~1/5 chance to drop. Every other class has the same 1/5 chance though...

OP clearly doesn't understand statistics or randomness. If I were to generate a long random sequence of 1's and 0's I would have sections of 8+ consecutive 1's or 0's just because that's how random works, its, well, random. Random does not mean if you have a 1/5 chance you'll get your desired outcome in 5 attempts. Also you don't exactly have good evidence for your claims.

Sure, I'll get right on making that incredibly boring 8 hour youtube video as evidence, provided you all do the same :). My only response: play as a DoM and draw your own conclusions.

1) I AM DoM and have noticed nothing wrong with droprates.
2) You'd need way more than 8 hours of youtube video as evidence. Unless that video is an 8 hour slide show of the well over 1000 data points you'd need to have meaningful statistical evidence.

As I have said in other threads (and suggested it back in 1.0) the devs should make the loot list changed depending on who is in the party and what has previously dropped.

This way everyone gets a chance at loot for the class they took into the instance.

For example if you have 2 casters, 1 healer & 1 Tank the chance of DoM gear will be 75% chance of dropping, 50% for DPS gear and 25% for healer gear and 25% for tank gear.

If you have 1 BRD, 1 PLD 1 SCH and 1 MNK, then the gear will be split 25% chance, when a piece drops for the MNK the odds go in favour of the other 3 (33:33:33) that a piece will drop for them.

Interesting. On average how much DoM loot would you say you see in a run of 5 dungeons? I typically see (mind you that's see in a loot window, NOT acquire) a piece every two dungeons or so, sometimes more, sometimes less. It may simply be that some of us are prone to better luck than others. I'm not a statistician nor do I wish to be so I'll leave work like that to people like the guys and gals at gamerescape. I'm sure someone will release an official statistical tally at some point. Here's hoping my luck and that of many other DoMs improves in the days to come. Thanks for a counter point to my original one; it's refreshing to see not all DoMs are encountering such poor luck :)

And Jinko that is EXACTLY my point! That's the way it should be in an ideal situation. I wholeheartedly concur.

I was going to post a thread regarding this a while back but never got around to it.

Maybe I just have bad luck, and maybe others have great luck or something but I rarely see a DoM drop, ever (and I leveled up by doing only dungeons and storyline missions).

I saw zero pieces of DoM armor drop in HM (while I have a full set of accessories - jewelry- from that place).

Brayflox was slightly nicer to me, I managed to get the chest, gloves, and boots after a significant number of runs. My chest was one of two, and the rest dropped only once.

Zero pieces from Qarn.

Zero pieces of DoM armor from Cutter's but like HM, I managed to acquire a full accessory set.

One pink pants from stone vigil.

Dzemael has been nicer to me - I have the chest and pants of both green sets from there.

I don't think this is a coincidence...? Otherwise, more DoW would be posting about how they never see their drops either?

I was starting to think that DoM gears just didn't exist in same dungeons....

it is completely and totally random

i ran brayflox 5 times as a pugilist and only once did a DoW piece of gear drop

Yes! THANK you! Your experience seems to more or less be mine as well, hours. You also broach another related subject: the fact that there are NO posts whatsoever for DoW players bemoaning the same problem we're experiencing. You'd think that would be evidence enough but I suppose it isn't. Still, there's something to be said for the fact that there have been no threads from angry DoW raiders on this issue (at least none that I've seen though I'd welcome evidence to the contrary).

It... Is... RANDOM!!!

On my way to 50 drg, I ended up with maybe 5 pieces of dps gear from lvl 15-45. However, I won enough useless scholar books and mage gear that my armory chest started to overflow. I did every single dungeon except quarn on my way to 50, including multiple runs of the lowbie ones to try to get foestrikers set. Guess how many piece of foestrikers I have... ZERO.

While leveling MRD off class, I did many more dungeons runs simply because of the queue times. During those, I saw runs where only tank gear dropped, only mage gear and runs where not a single thing that anyone needed dropped. Out of those runs, I still never got a single piece of foestriker, but saw many happy mages and dps get nice things.

I saw runs where every optional chest in the zone dropped a freakin ether, or 6 tin. With only three surefire equipment chests most times, you see a lot of run where nothing you want drops. The worst offender, IMO, was 1000 maws. Ran it several times, and not one piece of tank gear dropped. I had aetherial/plundered parts at 15, and doctore's/aetherial parts at lvl 20. Both plundered and doctore were tradeable, but from 21 until about 44, there will be ZERO tradeable dungeon drops. At 44ish, the templar's set needed for the achievement start dropping, and are tradeable. They are hardly common, however.

In the high end dungeons that HAVE gear (and several do not), the problem gets worse. There are whole sets for each class. So, it becomes possible to see a run where only PLD drops occur, or only BLM.

The problem people are observing is with the basic way the loot table works. Every chest in the instance has the chance to drop every item on the list. When players are accustomed to "this boss drops my chest piece", the randomness makes some people's head spin. That being said, the dungeon gear is nice but totally not required to hit 50 with ease. If you think it's bad now, wait till you are at the Castrum/praetorium runs that drop nothing at all. But then again, why would they when every player has their AF gear by then?

Well then it appears RNG reigns supreme indeed!

This is sad, but true. If you have an iOS device (which i am posting from), download the shiny new Libra Eorzia app. It contains full item lists, but unfortunately ALL items are currently flagged as "does not drop from an enemy" because they come from chests. However, it can give you an idea of what comes from where, simply based on the level of the item.

Another thing to note... Purple/pink items are not unique. Only green/blue are. It is entirely possible to get two lvl 15 purple "aetherial" tank belts with different stats. I did, but have since converted one to materia or I would post sceenshots.

When I leveled my Paladin I tanked all dungeons on my way to 50. I got one piece of tank gear belonging to a green set and the Ancient Sword. Got DoM gear all the way to 45 though for my alts. Random loot is random and entitled players will always feel entitled

Random Number Generator.

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Originally Posted by Ziyaal

Sure, I'll get right on making that incredibly boring 8 hour youtube video as evidence, provided you all do the same :). My only response: play as a DoM and draw your own conclusions.

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Demogogue half-robes my first run. Demogogue half-robes half my runs afterwards. Demogogue choker didn't drop until I bought my darklight neck, after which I now have to pass on it every time I run AK.

Your evidence is one big silly anecdote. Random is random.

I see DoM gear the majority of the time.

I have run brayflox 4 times and seen no battlemage gear whatsoever. While my friend ran it 30+ times to get his archer body and he saw battlemage every run.

I did ifrit hm 4 times and the drops were as follows. 2x SMN Books 1x SCH Book and 1x BLM Scepter. Only DoM gear.

All in all I say random is random. If it would always be 50/50 then its not random.

Hate to break it to you, but the creator of the game plays Primarily BLM. And he plays non stop. If there is something weird about the loot, he'd have gotten it changed LONG ago.

my whm geared up easily with only 1/2 runs per dungeon all the way up :P

What you're experiencing right now is pretty much the reason you see token systems at the end game in damn near every MMO now-a-days.

everytime i run a dungeon 50% of the loot is for DoM and 50% is DoW.... which for me is unlucky... also keep in mond how many classes are in DoM compared to DoW... that's probably why you feel the unbalance.... just keep in mind that tanks and and dps (lancers and pugilist) are very different even though they are DoW.

Thanks for all the feedback, people! :D

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What you're experiencing right now is pretty much the reason you see token systems at the end game in damn near every MMO now-a-days.

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Truth! Employing token systems for high/highest tier gear is criminal, truly.

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Hate to break it to you, but the creator of the game plays Primarily BLM. And he plays non stop. If there is something weird about the loot, he'd have gotten it changed LONG ago.

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Meh Yoshi P. is just a sadist and decided to change the numbers for the commercial release bwahahaha. Yeah but no I know. I'm getting a kick out of people harping about using anecdotes as "evidence" when they present their OWN anecdotes are "counter-evidence"; it just amuses me to no end. XD

I was crafting one time and got my HQ% up to 98%, but I still made a NQ item.

I remember farming mining nodes with my success rate at 95%. With four chances per node, I was regularly coming up with two strikes producing nothing at all - literally a 50% failure rate instead of 5%.

I just suck it up though as bad luck. RNG gods don't favor me, ESPECIALLY in dungeon drops!

You know what I want from Brayflox? Battlemage gear. I've seen it drop so many times today, yet no matter how high I roll (lowest being 4 and highest being 51. Average being 10-20), the other Mage always gets it. Fifteen or so runs today and I still have nothing (I'm using my level 50 SCH instead of my level 35 BLM, as I'm hoping that as a healer, I'll find myself as the only Mage in the party... which has so far always been when no DoM gear has dropped).

At least I know I'm a pretty darn good Healer. Yay optimism?

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Originally Posted by Nestama

You know what I want from Brayflox? Battlemage gear. I've seen it drop so many times today, yet no matter how high I roll (lowest being 4 and highest being 51. Average being 10-20), the other Mage always gets it. Fifteen or so runs today and I still have nothing (I'm using my level 50 SCH instead of my level 35 BLM, as I'm hoping that as a healer, I'll find myself as the only Mage in the party... which has so far always been when no DoM gear has dropped).

At least I know I'm a pretty darn good Healer. Yay optimism?

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Haha, soooo with you, brother. :)

I posted this in another related post about a spear drop:

I see this a lot in games that use RNG for loot distribution.

The problem here is not the system but people's understanding of statistics, and how probability isn't a certainty but rather an estimate, influenced by numerous variables (controlled or otherwise).

In a nutshell; the theory of the relative frequency of a probability (%) suggests that the probability (%) of a given event occurring (i.e. your loot dropping) is 'more likely' to occur the more often that event is attempted.

In Laymens terms; it's random. The more you try the 'more likely' you are to see the event occur but there is by no means a guarantee. As some have pointed out this is why token systems have become the choice of more and more MMO's these days. It's guaranteed i.e. 100% likely you will get your loot.

And really there is nothing SE can do about it.

I feel your pain, ran Brayflox all weekend to get my chest piece (12 runs and it didn't happen), but it is unfortunately random. To me, it's just the ugliest aspect of these games. I've enjoyed everything about FFXIV except for getting to Brayflox and running it over and over and over in an attempt to complete my Battlemage set. D:

Frownie Fish™ is Frownie. But it's no one's fault. Just the way it is.

I level all 3 DoM classes at the same time and almost exclusively through dungeons. It does seem like caster drops are much harder to get. Sunken Temple for example...36-38 on 3 classes and I saw a DoM weapon drop once.

I've been in dungeons where the only thing that dropped was healer gear. The first Ifrit run I ever participated in I got the BLM wand. So...I dunno.

At first I though it was party based, then I though that DoW got more gear drops because there are more DoW classes....

Now, I know its random.

Random is random

I get caster gear and healer gear all the time when I run, I never get tank gear :(

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You know what I want from Brayflox? Battlemage gear. I've seen it drop so many times today, yet no matter how high I roll (lowest being 4 and highest being 51. Average being 10-20), the other Mage always gets it. Fifteen or so runs today and I still have nothing (I'm using my level 50 SCH instead of my level 35 BLM, as I'm hoping that as a healer, I'll find myself as the only Mage in the party... which has so far always been when no DoM gear has dropped).

At least I know I'm a pretty darn good Healer. Yay optimism?

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You and almost every other mage doing brayflox. I wish it could be bought over the marketplace, I wouldn't mind spending gil on that set by this point.

Theres the Random Number Generator... and then everyone else forgot to mention it, but RNG has a counter that makes it worse; the Desire Sensor - the more you want an item, the less likely you are to see it. I main Scholar, but in most AK runs I see the SMN/BLM mage set drop - to point, I lack only head/body for that whole set now... whereas my strategos is only hands feet legs - after a large number of runs. Hell, my Archer has a chunk of the tox set and such that I really don't care for. All I can say is keep at it and eventually RNG and Desire Sensor will be bested.

great so this thread is wasted since i have no idea what anyone is talking about. good job erasing your OP. now no one can see what this was even about

Run 10 Blayflox, only 20% of them is DoM gear..No brag Q___Q....I am looking for the glove of DoM to complete my Battle Mage set...Guess what? Glove is dropped, not once, twice but five times and guess again, all of them is NOT for DoM...>_<!

mmm, AK. I saw 15 pieces of DoW gear drop in a row.

The first DoM piece I saw, I couldn't roll need on - it wasn't "optimal" for a WHM despite having lots of caster-friendly stats. A DRG took it. :D