Thancred in particular makes reference to this. I assume he refers to Y'shtola, Papalymo, Yda, Urianger, and himself in particular based strictly on context. The organization at the Waking Sands was called The Path of The Twelve in 1.0, I believe. But I don't recall having this Students of Baldesion thing explained. The familiar characters from 1.0 who were with The Path and aware of The Echo were said to have been those who had fled Sharlayan, and little more. Did I miss an explanation of these terms / this group somewhere along the way?
Students of Baldesion / Our Beldesion Comrades?
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09-14-2013, 03:54 PMSaikouStudents of Baldesion / Our Beldesion Comrades?
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09-14-2013, 10:21 PMToranja
From Minfilia's dialogue, they are a different organization with different people. Also, from Lamberteint's exchanges - the corrupted crystals scholar -, it seems that the Students of Baldesion are a group of exceptionally talented scholars.
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09-15-2013, 06:21 AMAnonymoose
I don't remember much about FFV, but I wonder if there's a relation in the story context...
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09-16-2013, 05:39 PMWolfandre
They had better play a HUGE role in subsequent quests or expansions.
For how many times they were mentioned in giving "key information" to the protagonists, and for how few times (read: zero) they were actually seen, I was getting kind of tired of the MacGuffin (McGuffin? McMuffin?). -
09-16-2013, 09:37 PMSkiesBaldesion is actually Galuf's last name, if memory serves me well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymoose
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09-17-2013, 01:51 AMAnonymooseIt is, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skies
Possibly some context clues in there, somewhere. -
09-17-2013, 02:06 AMSkies
Just a bit more data here:
In a few scenes in the main quest Minfilia does something rather... Interesting. While you are busy talking to the other Scions she will take a moment to talk on the phone- I mean linkshell with the Students of Baldesion. Her words aren't subtitled, but the scenes are also voiced and you can hear her talking (missed the correct words since I had friends on skype at the time).
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11-19-2013, 03:51 AMTorquilShe also calls TV person she's talking too 'Krile'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skies
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11-20-2013, 12:03 AMSkyhound
I also recall her talking to someone during Alphinaud's speech. I assumed it was the Baldesions and she was asking them to have "that thing" delivered. If I remember correctly, "that thing" ended up being a replica dark crystal.
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12-18-2013, 06:36 AMSaikou
A bit of a necropost here, but Minfilia dropped the name of this group at the start of the continuing Main Storyline quests. It is implied that they have been the primary benefactors of The Scions. She then promptly has a "forget I said anything" moment. More if I come across it.
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12-18-2013, 04:31 PMSkyhoundYeah, I noticed that too. With all of the shades of gray surround aspects of the story, I'm starting to think the Baldesion might be hiding something big. Possibly that white Ascian-looking robe was actually Baldesion? Would explain how/why they had the Replica Dark CrystalQuote:
Originally Posted by Saikou
Part of me wants to believe they're Ishgardian, and are the ones who Rowena is working for. As mentioned before, they have access to some pretty unusual artifacts and information. -
12-20-2013, 05:16 PMSaikou
It is discovered in the new Main Story quests that this theory about the white-robed Ascians isn't correct.
In the attunement quest for The Crystal Tower, you meet someone claiming to be a Student of Baldesion. He is a Miqo'te Archer who introduces himself as G'raha Tia (which definitely makes him a Seeker). His whimsical manner is a match for the Arcanist Guildmaster (coincidentally enough, also a Male Miqo). This new character seems to be significant to the plot of exploring The Crystal Tower. He makes the implication that the expedition is to be an equal partnership between Cid's group (The Garlond Ironworks have yet to be reconstructed), The Sons of Saint Coinach, The Scions, and The Students of Beldesion. An interesting thing is that he has tattoos similar to the ones that The Archons have. This leads me to wonder if he is also an Archon. The style is unmistakable.
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12-21-2013, 02:01 AMOrophinSome 2.1 story stuff:Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymoose
Krile's name was dropped near the end of 2.1's storyline. I had no idea that was their last name until it was brought up here.
Also, the white Ascian's name is really familiar:
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Elidibus
I wonder what role he has to play.
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02-11-2014, 08:26 AMWolfandre
Bit of a necrobump here, but I have a little more information.
We actually see a Student of Baldesion in the Waking Sands in the story. I just got to Terror at Fallgourd on my alt and found an NPC named Clive, a male Midlander in Foestriker gear, conversing with an unnamed female Midlander in Acolyte robes. They are in the northern section. They both have red hair with blue streaks.
Clive merely mentions that he comes on behalf of the Students of Baldesion, though he is rather snooty about it and tells you to leave.
It's not much...but....it's something? I'll update as I go along and see if they change at all.
EDIT: Clive warms up to you on your next visit. Says he expects great things from you.
However, Clive and his acquaintance are seen lying dead in the hallway leading to the Solar during the Garlean purge of the Waking Sands. Seems this was a dead end after all (no pun intended). -
02-11-2014, 01:49 PMSkies
Oh, Wolfandre, you do meet another Student of Baldesion in the story, your contact for Crystal Tower, G'raha Tia.
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01-27-2015, 12:25 AMToranja
Small 2.5 update:
Minfillia accuses Nabriales of destroying the Isle of Val.
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01-27-2015, 01:01 PMZohar_Lahar
Did they say the Isle of Val was off the coast of Dravania? Or am I mistaken?
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01-27-2015, 04:40 PMWolfandreJust noticed this a full year later....Quote:
Originally Posted by Skies
Yeah, since we don't really get any juicy info about the Students from him and he winds up just being ANOTHER giant story macguffin, I kinda write him off...
I'm wondering when we'll see the significance of the loss of Val. Whenever it's mentioned by Minfilia and she's freaking out about it....I can't help but feel distanced from it. The Students are still so far off-camera that I can't understand what I'm losing by their home base being ZOIP-ed. And no one else seems to care besides Minfilia.
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01-27-2015, 05:46 PMBlueThunderThe reason of Minfilia's freaking out more than anything, if I do recall it correctly, is that she has a very dear friend in that organization. So when the news of the Isle of Val being gone, she feared for her friend... Aside from clearly having lost some smartasses who also provided us with some tools for our fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfandre
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02-02-2015, 06:53 AMAlistaire
Just found out about this in the storyline from looking at random stuff on the ff wiki, from that:
One thing nobody else has mentioned here, when Minfilia says "... My regards to grandfather." ...that wording could mean Minfilia and Krile are related...sisters? Krile does look a lot like Minfilia...Quote:
Although not written in the dialogue, Minfilia speaks to a person, named Krile, via linkpearl in an underlain audio, after the Scions reunite and escape Castrum Centri together. After her audio is finished, there is a brief line where she says, "... My regards to grandfather." Most likely referring to Galuf.
In patch 2.1, this Krile is directly referenced in main-quest written dialogue, and in patch 2.2, it is discovered that the Isle of Val has "disappeared", and it is feared Krile has gone with it. It is later reported, in patch 2.3, that Krile has survived the incident but has been left near-comatose from the experience and is recovering, with patch 2.4 making mention that she's continuing to recover but is still not conscious.
Furthermore, the "Krile" character mentioned here is said to be part of the "Students of Baldesion". Precisely how deep this connection may be has yet to be explored, and the character, whoever they may be, has not yet appeared on-camera in the game.
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02-02-2015, 09:49 AMEnkidohHighly unlikely, given the fact Minfilia was actually Ala Mhigian and was first seen as a child in the original version 1.0 Ul'dah story with her father Warburton (who was killed during the 1.0 Ul'dah story, thus rendering her an orphan.) Also Minfilia isn't even her real name (her real name is Ascilia).Quote:
Originally Posted by Alistaire
My guess is that sometime after the events of the 1.0 Ul'dah story (which actually took place sometime around the year 1662 of the 6th Astral Era - the original 1.0 starting city stories were basically almost entirely Echo visions), when she first realized she had the Echo, she changed her name and ended up in Sharalyan in an attempt to find out exactly why she was having these strange visions, where she encountered Louisoix and the Circle of Knowing, who encouraged her to found the Path of the Twelve, a place of research of the Echo while also providing a sanctuary for those awoken to it (Minfilia's meeting with Louisoix and his connection to the founding of the Path was confirmed on the official website as part of the Rising event last year) .
The Path much later amalgamated with the remaining members of the Circle to form the Scions of the Seventh Dawn following Lousiox's disappearance during the Calamity.
It's entirely possible therefore that during this time, she also ended up on the Isle of Val and encountered the Students of Baldesion who also ended up supporting her (and where she grew close to some of the members - this mysterious 'grandfather' and girl named 'Krile'. But of course, this is all just my speculation so take from it what you will. The main thing is though, any relation Minfilia has with Krile would probably be non-family related - as 1.0's story seemed to stress that Minfilia was an only child. -
02-02-2015, 10:05 AMKaiser-AceIt's possible that they, Like Flahamine, are simply "Family-Figures" having a sister like relationship with Krile and Krile's Grandfather inturn treating Minfilia as one of his own. And assuming that's the case then it only makes sense she would be in shock over Val's disappearance as that would have ment the possible death of two of the last three people she had in this world. (Not sure if Val disapeared before or after we discovered Flahamine's survival. But I'm thinking it was in 2.2 when Val disappeared and Flahamine was part of 2.1's story.)Quote:
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02-02-2015, 11:55 AMAnonymooseDon't forget The Walker's Path so easily, now! Ascilia changed her name to hide from the Empire as the daughter of F'lhaminn; Thancred came up with it. She received the Echo in 1567 and confided it to him in a moment of weakness, and he relayed it back to Louisoix, who began correspondence with her. The Path of the Twelve was her idea, which Louisoix embraced while warning her of its dangers. As far as I can tell, she never strayed too far from Ul'dah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enkidoh
The Students of Baldesion were never mentioned in Version 1.0, and much of the information the Circle of Knowing and Path of the Twelve did not have back then but suddenly possess in abundance now is attributed to them. I'm guessing they were put in contact with one another by way of Louisoix in 1572, or by way of Sharlayan shortly after his death. I don't remember if there were other clues... We only got a line here or there. -
02-03-2015, 05:24 AMEnkidoh
Ah! Thanks for that clarification Moose - I was too lazy to double check a few details. But I had the basic idea right! ;)