Melee Classes

Out of curiosity, is anything going to be changed in the future for melee dps classes? As of right now they do less dps than ranged, have to be in melee range, and on top of that most of their abilities are positional required to even try and compete with ranged.

Just seems wrong when there is a lot of 360 degree AoE attacks, or bosses you can't even get behind or on it's side.

Melee do more damage than ranged, just less than bards. Don't clump bards with smn and blm.

From what I've read for the last couple weeks, BLM and SMN are doing more damage than melee while safely sitting in the backrows with no positional requirements.

The main problem for me is the amount of time I spend dodging mob abilities, the majority of which are melee ranged, or chasing after the boss and/or adds. There are attacks that ranged have to dodge on occasion as well, but the bulk of attacks are always in melee range and even the ranged attacks can sometimes target melee, too. It's especially detrimental for me since Monk's rotation is very sensitive to excessive movement that isn't just me darting between the flank and back, but that's another set of problems all together.

I'm a bit weird about it. As a monk player, I don't mind dodging stuff and in fact I really enjoy it, as I often find standing still and dpsing as a ranged extremely boring. What I DON'T find fun is when an extremely important buff of mine drops off because of its short duration while I am away from my target. If you make monks do the extra work by dodging dangerous mechanics, don't also punish them so severely with such a loss in dps. Requiring both is unfair, and most MMOs simply don't get this correct.

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

The main problem for me is the amount of time I spend dodging mob abilities, the majority of which are melee ranged, or chasing after the boss and/or adds. There are attacks that ranged have to dodge on occasion as well, but the bulk of attacks are always in melee range and even the ranged attacks can sometimes target melee, too. It's especially detrimental for me since Monk's rotation is very sensitive to excessive movement that isn't just me darting between the flank and back, but that's another set of problems all together.

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Not to mention that too much movement can cause us to lose GL. Which is a huge part of our DPS

It's the role you choose to play; you don't see tanks complaining about how their damage is low, or healers, that they have to heal all the time. Deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Otoha

It's the role you choose to play; you don't see tanks complaining about how their damage is low, or healers, that they have to heal all the time. Deal with it.

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I think its less complaining and more questioning the balance of things atm

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Originally Posted by Otoha

It's the role you choose to play; you don't see tanks complaining about how their damage is low, or healers, that they have to heal all the time. Deal with it.

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Nice comparison.

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Originally Posted by Otoha

It's the role you choose to play; you don't see tanks complaining about how their damage is low, or healers, that they have to heal all the time. Deal with it.

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lol what, make sense please.

the balance is fine -- melee have the ST limit break which is extremely valuable.

it's not like encounters aren't doable if you're melee, so i don't really see a problem. especially since this game has handled it better than others by making it so you absolutely NEED at least one melee for the limit break. ranged is always the easier option in MMO's -- melee is inherently more challenging and (IMO) more fun due to that. always has been, always will.

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Originally Posted by Stormsoul

the balance is fine -- melee have the ST limit break which is extremely valuable.

it's not like encounters aren't doable if you're melee, so i don't really see a problem. especially since this game has handled it better than others by making it so you absolutely NEED at least one melee for the limit break. ranged is always the easier option in MMO's -- melee is inherently more challenging and (IMO) more fun due to that. always has been, always will.

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Ranged has also always done more damage in addition to being easier to play and easier to heal. Yeah, there are no balance issues here. /eyeroll

SE will give more time to MNK buffs in 2.1 im sure :D

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Originally Posted by Stormsoul

the balance is fine -- melee have the ST limit break which is extremely valuable.

it's not like encounters aren't doable if you're melee, so i don't really see a problem. especially since this game has handled it better than others by making it so you absolutely NEED at least one melee for the limit break. ranged is always the easier option in MMO's -- melee is inherently more challenging and (IMO) more fun due to that. always has been, always will.

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Implying Meteor doesn't do tons of damage on it's own...

Melee have more raw dps but have less uptime on boss which lower their dps. It doesn't make them and you still need at least 1 of them in an 8-man group for LB.

I never played a game where melee DPS is as bad as it is in this game. It's a fucking disgrace seeing these ranged dps just stand on one spot and out dps me while I have to constantly dodge attacks and dance around to do max damage.

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Originally Posted by cane

I never played a game where melee DPS is as bad as it is in this game. It's a fucking disgrace seeing these ranged dps just stand on one spot and out dps me while I have to constantly dodge attacks and dance around to do max damage.

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This is honestly what makes ranged dps seem so...boring to me. I'm not level 50 so I haven't seen endgame so I am curious how bad melee truly have it or if this is just exaggerating.

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Originally Posted by Thotor

No offense but almost every MMO favor ranged dps. The more complicated boss get, the more range dps are favored.

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This is only really a problem for me when fight mechanics impact my fun factor for choosing melee (monks really could use an increased duration for greased lightning...) or when I am being denied a spot in a group because I am melee. Ranged usually have an easier time, but does this game make the mistake of making melee borderline not viable?

I'd hate to be rejected from groups because I chose monk, regardless of my skill.

Edited due to post limit >.<

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Originally Posted by Otoha

It's the role you choose to play; you don't see tanks complaining about how their damage is low, or healers, that they have to heal all the time. Deal with it.

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Quite possibly the most stupid post I've read on these boards.

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Originally Posted by cane

I never played a game where melee DPS is as bad as it is in this game. It's a fucking disgrace seeing these ranged dps just stand on one spot and out dps me while I have to constantly dodge attacks and dance around to do max damage.

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No offense but almost every MMO favor ranged dps. The more complicated boss get, the more range dps are favored.

I think MNKs and DRGs scale very well with gear, and are the best DDs (as it should be, except maybe for SMNs who need NURFS), at least under ideal conditions

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Originally Posted by Anonydort

I think MNKs and DRGs scale very well with gear, and are the best DDs (as it should be, except maybe for SMNs who need NURFS), at least under ideal conditions

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I would have to agree, except right now there aren't really any fights that provide ideal conditions for MNK and DRG. Way too much dodging, target switching, and flat out being off target for extended periods. Not that I'm complaining, because I still love my Monk, but SE should really look into things like adjusting the duration of Greased Lightning and other necessary Monk buffs that don't last very long.

Yea seriously it is a bit ridiculous considering i have to get to 3 stacks of grease before i can even start to reach max dps, which means 3 full rotations. You will barely reach this when pulling trash mobs in dungeons except maybe on the 3 mob if it is a group of three, mean while bard, drg, smn, and blm just unleash their full potential from the start just about (exception is drg since they do have a few positional requirements for debuffs/ buffs)

Then when we talk about bosses a lot of them have moves that take them completely off the battle field or a mass aoe you need to run from. Ifrits charges and garudas shriek for example. By the time those are done with, grease is gone and you need to re build all the stacks over again.

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Originally Posted by Otoha

It's the role you choose to play; you don't see tanks complaining about how their damage is low, or healers, that they have to heal all the time. Deal with it.

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I had to setup my forum login because this is the most dumbest thing posted here.

It's not that's TANKS do no damage, or that HEALERS heal, but melee DPS gets penalized for doing the right thing. People are dealing with the troubles of having to dodge things because they stand where the cleave/360 AOE attacks are... but why should they have to do things like go through full rotations just to get back to being buffed/at an optimal stage for full DPS after they have already gotten to this stage earlier? It's not the same as having to refresh your own buffs or make sure that you are flanking something to get the extra effect, but if you want to do the right thing by the healer, or in some stages you just don't want to get one-shotted, why should my DPS go down?

I used to be a Pugilist. It was nice seeing the moves and what not, but I got tired of moving around and stacking to get optimum damage. Went THM and the DPS life is a lot simpler/more functional :) PUG/MNK is more exciting, but THM/BLM/ARC/BRD is more functional imo. But say they gave MNK/DRG buffs....we'd probably go from everyone thats a mnk/drg complaining to every dps thats not a mnk complaining about mnk/drg being OP lol

As a monk I honestly don't mind having to get up to 3 stacks before my dps starts, makes me feel like I'm powering up mid fight. What I do mind however is the duration of some of the buffs, MNKs didnt get duration increases on their traits like DRGs did. I think it would really help them if they got an increase to the durations.

I tried to play a melee class after getting my summoner job to level 50 but it just didn't work out like I had hoped it would. I do agree that melee classes are indeed more challenging and you do get penalized more often with being able to only do low damage as compared to a ranged DPS. I don't however think that any of the range DPS need to be nerfed. In any FF game I always favored playing a ranged DPS and I always thought that ranged DPS classes are great and to me they still are because they are more functional. Especially, SMN, BLM, BRD because we do tons of damage and sit comfortably in the backrows. I sincerely hope that SE will fix the melee class damage because I want to try out another melee class but not at the cost of suffering constant damage penalties.

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Originally Posted by Nibb

As a monk I honestly don't mind having to get up to 3 stacks before my dps starts, makes me feel like I'm powering up mid fight. What I do mind however is the duration of some of the buffs, MNKs didnt get duration increases on their traits like DRGs did. I think it would really help them if they got an increase to the durations.

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That's what I was thinking. Buff duration was more of the issue here.
Something like an increase in buff duration by a few seconds if you successfully dodge an AOE attack that would have hit you because you were standing in the area WHEN IT WAS PLACED as to not abuse it by running in and back out. That way it benefits ANYONE who does the right thing, be they a tank, DPS or healer.

Hey don't get me wrong, I wish that my personal choice in class was more effective, but mnks bring more to the table than just mediocre damage. They also have mantra, which in my opinion is over powered compared to every other classes in terms for raid-wide defensive cooldowns. I cant explain how many wipes occur due to lack of healing throughput. Also DRG bring a raid wide dps increase. I mean your gonna run into a bunch of ignorant ppl who are gonna say, "hey, um.... this fight is more of a rng dps thing...." but a smart group will bring at least 1 MNK and DRG for at least utility's sake