Summoner DPS rotations

I guess today I downloaded a parser and I was quite shocked by things I saw / heard.

I was in Titan HM, I happened to be top by about 20 points at 160 dps, with a BLM at 145ish and our dragoons tailing behind just slightly lower than that.
However I was then told: "-Insert name here- is a summoner who does 350+ it's proven".

So, I went to a level 50 dummy and used my following rotation:
Previous stacked Aetherflow III
Shadow flare
Raging strikes
Bio 2
Miasma 1
Bio 1
Fester
Contagion
Thunder
Purge / Spur
Ruin
Fester
Ruin
Fester
Ruin x 1000 / refresh dots repeat rotation

The max I hit on the dummy was 225 when I looked back, with an average of about 210/215

I repeated this 2 or 3 times, and my DPS actually dropped to 135/140 regardless of using the same rotation...
Either the parser isn't parsing correctly or my rotation suddenly decided not to have a decent output.
Does anyone have any recommendations? Any suggestions?
I'm open to criticism here. I want to up my output.
Does my rotation look stupid / sound stupid?

Cheers.

#1000 characters

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Originally Posted by Kevee

Here is a general starting rotation:
Bio II+Obey(so the pet starts attacking while you're casting) -> Miasma -> Bio -> Fester during GCD(make sure to delay it a little more until the Bio debuff is present) -> Shadow Flare -> Thunder -> Ruin -> Ruin II -> Raging Strikes+Fester during GCD -> Bio -> Thunder -> Miasma -> Bio II -> Miasma II -> Rouse/Fester During GCD -> Bio -> Contagion+Spur during GCD-> Shadow Flare -> Ruin II -> Enkindle during GCD

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^that

After that it's simple(until RS comes off CD). Just keep DoTs up and maximize Fester usage. When Rouse/Spur come off CD, use Ruin II and use them in between the GCD.

You can change some things like adding in a Ruin/Ruin II before the final bio during RS, but if you've had to move and cancel any casts you may not have time.

Two things: Contagion increases the duration of all DoT's on the mob at the time of use. You should put miasma II up and cast contagion after Thunder in these scenario's (pure lol theorycraft, but it is maximal to always contagion at least after thunder since that's actually.. you know, possible in real scenarios vs miasma II melee bs)

Otherwise this looks about right for single target stuff. Keep in mind most boss fights involve adds and it will be up to you/your tank to communicate getting the two+ things close enough together to use bane effectively over a fester.

There are no Parser out there at the moment that could accurately log our DoT damage so don't rely on it too much as the 'source of truth'.

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Originally Posted by Trihuuger

Two things: Contagion increases the duration of all DoT's on the mob at the time of use. You should put miasma II up and cast contagion after Thunder in these scenario's (pure lol theorycraft, but it is maximal to always contagion at least after thunder since that's actually.. you know, possible in real scenarios vs miasma II melee bs)

Otherwise this looks about right for single target stuff. Keep in mind most boss fights involve adds and it will be up to you/your tank to communicate getting the two+ things close enough together to use bane effectively over a fester.

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I wasn't sure it affected thunder, i'll try that out.

The two existing parsers are highly bugged when it comes to Summoner DPS. Multiple spells do not work at all, and Bio/Bio II more often than not report absurdly high damage numbers during fights (usually 2-4x as much as it's actually doing).

Shouldn't be using the parser as a SMN.

When we do high dps on parser the parser is ok, if we suck on numbers, then the parser is broken. Yeah! i got it :D

why don't you guys test the parser as I have, do a 2 minute rotation on a dummy while the parser is on and have someone jot down all the dot damage on the screen, after 2 minutes, get all the numbers from the combat logs and all the numbers from the jot down dot damage from paper, sum it all up and divide it by 120 seconds, that is your dps, compare it to the parser. I've done this multiple times and it is consistent with the parser, not 100% accurate, but very consistent. only a few hundred damage done and a few 10s of dps more or less.

people say that even 250 dps is too much in this game, that's why the parser for summoner is bugged.

my dots alone tick 400 damage every 3 seconds. that's already 133 dps per second, what more if you include all the summoner spells, fester, ruin, shadowflare, pet auto attack, enkindle, pet buffs. I'm entirely certain that this will reach more than 250 dps.

dots: 400 damage every 3 seconds = 133 dps
fester: 750 damage every 10 seconds = 75 dps
ruin: 180 damage every 3 seconds = 60 dps
pet attacks: 180 damage every 3 seconds = 60 dps
shadowflare: 88 damage ever 3 seconds = 29 dps

that's a total of 303 dps, and that's what the parser should be showing, and it has been nothing but consistent.

I understand that I did not put the cast time of dots into the equation, but to compensate I did not factor in critical strikes and enkindle. which is more than enough compensation, oh and raging strikes and rouse + spur.

if I did, it could potentially be around 350-375+ dps. but im bad at maths.

edit: I also did not factor in contagion, because I'm bad at math.

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Originally Posted by Trihuuger

Two things: Contagion increases the duration of all DoT's on the mob at the time of use. You should put miasma II up and cast contagion after Thunder in these scenario's (pure lol theorycraft, but it is maximal to always contagion at least after thunder since that's actually.. you know, possible in real scenarios vs miasma II melee bs)

Otherwise this looks about right for single target stuff. Keep in mind most boss fights involve adds and it will be up to you/your tank to communicate getting the two+ things close enough together to use bane effectively over a fester.

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I wouldn't use miasma 2. Just sayin'. Not that great and if you have to move you are really wasting dps time

your fester dps is halved you can only do it 3 times every 60 secs

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dots: 400 damage every 3 seconds = 133 dps
fester: 750 damage every 10 seconds = 75 dps
ruin: 180 damage every 3 seconds = 60 dps
pet attacks: 180 damage every 3 seconds = 60 dps
shadowflare: 88 damage ever 3 seconds = 29 dps

that's a total of 303 dps, and that's what the parser should be showing, and it has been nothing but consistent.

I understand that I did not put the cast time of dots into the equation, but to compensate I did not factor in critical strikes and enkindle. which is more than enough compensation, oh and raging strikes and rouse + spur.

if I did, it could potentially be around 350-375+ dps. but im bad at maths.

edit: I also did not factor in contagion, because I'm bad at math.

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This is absolutely terrible math as you act like you can use all these ability together at the same time. Even with five dots from bio, bio 2, miasma, miasma 2, and thunder with a relic weapon you'll be doing 333 non crits at the most.

Thats 111 dps with only 6-7dps coming from miasma 2 at 186 mana. Which is absurdly inefficient.

Miasma 2 is just not worth the rotation, period.

Fester is going to be hitting around 640, perhaps a little more in full darklight, every 20 seconds. You can raging strikes all your numbers if you really want, but its still absurd as raging strikes will give about 50 more damage every 3 seconds on dots to around 380 non-crit. Its also on a 3min cooldown timer.

In order to keep 4 dots up, you have to spend 10 (essentially) seconds in a rotation to keep it up. Discounting garuda pet for a moment, the beginning you'll have a easy time spamming fester and ruin, however as you essentially have 4 dots that you'll have to maintain every 18, 18, 24 and 30 seconds, at most you'll have potentially three, realistically two ruins inbetween updating dots. This doesn't include things like fester, aetherflow, or energy drain which do take some time to activate even though there isn't a GCD associated with it.

Shadowflare is about 55 per 3 seconds. And parsing ifrit will get you 55 average.

Ruin is hitting about 171 give or take.

In a good and some change minute rotation, I have about a 13-14 to 10 ratio of just concentrating on fitting ruins inbetween dot applications. Essentially that means ruin is good for on average, 1 per 10 seconds. Or 17dps give or take. Fester is going to give 32dps on average if you apply every charge without energy drain.

111 + 17 + 32 + 18 + 55


Without raging strikes, you'll get potentially 233 dps. Which isn't too shabby. However, you aren't going to be pumping this sort of damage out on Titan HM or anything short of being able to stand still and cast your spells. If the boss moves around just a bit, you'll lose the effectiveness of shadow flare. If you need to maintain range, you'll lose miasma 2. Even keeping up 4 dots + ruin going pure fester by 3 minutes you'll be (or get close to) mana starved at that point you'll start losing all your dot damage, and that'll affect your fester damage as well. If you include miasma 2 and shadow flare, by 2 minutes you'll have no mana.

In order to last longer and be more effective over the course of the fight, you won't be using miasma and unlikely you'll be using shadow flare without using swiftcast along with it. At this point, you'll start dipping below 200 dps. Even if you were to include raging strike in this situation, where the dps matters (in boss fights of course) you'd potentially only see a overall 6% increase in damage if even that high.

In short, unless you ignore the red circles and never move, have perfect situational awareness all the time with your dots you aren't going to be hitting that 200dps marker with any sort of regularity in boss battles. Unless there is a bard or two to have mana song on all the time right now summoners are sitting around 190 to 200 dps realistically. Lets not even say if there were multiple mobs spread apart that you had to target; dps would drop like a rock and it would take at least 10 seconds to get going on new targets.

Lastly, this 1000char limit is lame.

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Originally Posted by Solen

Miasma 2 is just not worth the rotation, period.

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Miasma II is only worth it during Contagion rotation.

If you're using it any other way for single target, you're doing it wrong.