In what circumstances would you not "enhance" your class with a "job" role?

As I level some classes and make goals for myself, I sometimes think back to the notion that classes were designed to hold twice as many cross-class skills as jobs. I often wondered if I somehow constructed a build out of ten cross-class skills and an un-upgraded class, would I be laughed out of endgame?

I hear a lot of the endgame gear is job specific. Is it all decent endgame gear?

So is the "feature" that classes can assign twice as many cross-class abilities useful at any time? Can it be made useful for endgame? Thoughts?

its meant for soloing (which there really isn't any solo content in ARR) so that you can cross class more defensive and self healing abilities like Second Wind to more classes

If they made more useful cross-class abilities, then I MIGHT turn off PLD sometimes. However, as it stands, I'm much better off being restricted to CNJ and MRD abilities like Bloodbath, Cure, and etc. Not to mention my job-specific abilities like Shield Oath, Spirits Within, and Hallowed Ground. Shield Oath is much more useful than having Second Wind.

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Originally Posted by Holyhunter

its meant for soloing (which there really isn't any solo content in ARR) so that you can cross class more defensive and self healing abilities like Second Wind to more classes

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Pretty much what he said. It's more for soloing things, but there's rarely any of that going on. There will be few occasions in which the class will be superior to the job in a party.

Sadly, I've yet to encounter a situation where I was better off using a Class and not a Job. In the case of my Scholar, any benefit I would've gained from defensive cooldowns (like the PGL ones) are covered by the healing I get from my Faerie :/

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Originally Posted by StormGryffen

As I level some classes and make goals for myself, I sometimes think back to the notion that classes were designed to hold twice as many cross-class skills as jobs. I often wondered if I somehow constructed a build out of ten cross-class skills and an un-upgraded class, would I be laughed out of endgame?

I hear a lot of the endgame gear is job specific. Is it all decent endgame gear?

So is the "feature" that classes can assign twice as many cross-class abilities useful at any time? Can it be made useful for endgame? Thoughts?

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It's not really as useful as it once was actually.

In 1.23 being on your class could prove REALLY useful.

During the Moogle Fight and Ifrit i'd prefer to go Thaumaturge just in case I was needed to back-up heal or raise people.
Being able to use Sacred Prism + Sanguine Rite was AMAZING.


So far in 2.0, I haven't removed my job crystals at all really.

Playing MRD as a DPS class

the only 2 classes i really feel have a good reason to sit in their class form while soloing are MRD and GLD, for extra dps from Straight Shot/Raging Strikes/etc. doesn't really make much of a difference for other classes, though i have dropped out from monk to PGL when i was fighting things a few levels higher for the defensive CD's and Cure.

In theory classes and cross class abilities were supposed to be more useful for soloing, but I don't believe that's how it really turned out.

Cross class abilities are nice, but none are really required. You do have everything you need in your Job to combat solo enemies. Not only that, but the Job stone actually gives you a stat bonus. So you are actually more powerful with it equipped.

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Originally Posted by Stormsoul

the only 2 classes i really feel have a good reason to sit in their class form while soloing are MRD and GLD, for extra dps from Straight Shot/Raging Strikes/etc. doesn't really make much of a difference for other classes, though i have dropped out from monk to PGL when i was fighting things a few levels higher for the defensive CD's and Cure.

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PLD still has Sword Oath and Spirits Within, I'm still not sure I'd drop those whilst soloing

Archer instead of Bard

As a Monk, I have found no reason to ever drop the job. People say for soloing.. But for that, I have my chocobo, who can heal..

I've never taken off my job crystal and solo farm stuff quite regularly.

I find where they work best is solo quests, especially instanced fights where you can't use your chocobo and your level is restricted. Being able to set protect, stoneskin, and cure to a DPS makes a huge difference.

We've been asking this question for years.

Armory system gimmick is pointless, one you go job you never turn back. All it does is make it easier for SE to add new jobs (just 5 abilities) than to create a whole new job from scratch.

Classes are a system that hamstrings the abillity to have a unique job system...

But you know teh solos right guys? Why not just make a Job that's good at Soloing like Thief or Beastmaster for those who want a job with solo utillity. Classes end up being poor jack of all trades in the end while pulling down the jobs they are anchored too with them.

ARCHER because its 40% attack buff and %20 crit rate.

I play as a PGL instead of MNK pretty much all the time so I can use protect and cure.