Vote kick!

SE, not having a vote kick is becoming rather old and tedious at end game. Players come together to complete dungeons in a timely manner: for fun or because of the grind. But having individuals stick around who want nothing to do with the party’s wants or desires is causing issues for the individuals with like minds, and ultimately forcing the majority to conform to one person’s entitlement or selfishness.

Not having a vote kick also hinders groups from dismissing disruptive players or removing malicious individuals—and once again forces the bystander to pay the price in time: from leaving and being locked out, or waiting on the bad apple to finally give up and remove himself.

I don’t understand how this became an over sight for the Duty Finder, but a vote kick needs to come as soon as possible.

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Originally Posted by Brolleun-Hunter

SE, not having a vote kick is becoming rather old and tedious at end game. Players come together to complete dungeons in a timely manner: for fun or because of the grind. But having individuals stick around who want nothing to do with the party’s wants or desires is causing issues for the individuals with like minds, and ultimately forcing the majority to conform to one person’s entitlement or selfishness.

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Sooo.... basically you want to be able to kick anyone that watches cutscenes correct?

I watch cutscenes i dont want to be kicked. But i do i agree with adding a way to vote players

Vote kick IS NOT needed in this game. In Wow, it created a lot of issues where elitist and utter douches just kicked folks randomly even if they were doing nothing wrong and were playing well. It lead to guilds or friends booting the one random who waited 30 minutes for a queue to pop. If you want to speed things up, or have a more enjoyable experience in the DF, queue with FC members or friends. If you have no friends or are not in a FC, join an FC and get some friends, otherwise you just need to deal with it and have patience, or leave the group yourself. Vote kick presents more cons than pros imo.

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Originally Posted by Ulathskullsplitter

Sooo.... basically you want to be able to kick anyone that watches cutscenes correct?

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No, we want to kick the tank that do nothing in the dungeon because he absolutely wants to speedrun (without saying it before he started by the way, as if it was the only choice) when the 3 others don't and he doesn't want to be the first to leave to avoid the 15mn penalty.

And since I'm sure I'll have to justify myself, among the 3 (group of friends without a tank) that did not want to speedrun, 2 were new to the dungeon. And it wasn't an AK run, it was WP.

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Originally Posted by FF2GO

Vote kick IS NOT needed in this game. In Wow, it created a lot of issues where elitist and utter douches just kicked folks randomly even if they were doing nothing wrong and were playing well. It lead to guilds or friends booting the one random who waited 30 minutes for a queue to pop. If you want to speed things up, or have a more enjoyable experience in the DF, queue with FC members or friends. If you have no friends or are not in a FC, join an FC and get some friends, otherwise you just need to deal with it and have patience, or leave the group yourself. Vote kick presents more cons than pros imo.

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I couldn't disagree more. Currently, the number of jerks doing whatever they want in dungeons because nobody can do anything against them is disheartening. Something must be done to add the possibility for groups to regulate or to get rid of toxi behaviours.

Look at this scenario:

"OOoooo I just killed the final boss! An item I need! Yes! Wtf? Why is everyone voting to kick me?"

To be honest i sit on the fence about this issue.

I did have a few terrible runs where rude and mean people acted like jerks, went afk every few minutes or decided tactics are for n00bs and refused to do anything but cause wipes, blame everyone else and get upset upon being told the truth.

But on the other hand, i also had many players claim they wanted to kick someone simply because they made ONE mistake, because they wanted to watch the cutscenes or simply because they refused to skip mobs as they were not comfortable with it.

lol, OP wants to kick cutscene viewers. No. No vote kick until they hide who is viewing cutscenes or make them unskippable in game. I can see there are other reasons to kick someone thats being an asshat ... but those like OP, who obviously just want to shit on those who view the cutscenes (they have every right to do so) shouldnt get the opportunity.

I honestly think there should not be a vote kick, very very few join an "in progress" dungeon.

If the horrors of duty finder are the trouble then form own group and dont use it.

For those that need duty finder we gotta take what we are given, sometimes its excellent, sometimes not. Kick is too easily abused in every single mmo its in.
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Stop trying to turn this game into WoW you dolts. Pack your things and walk away if you don't like the game as it is,the majority does.

I'm torn on this one.

I have definitely seen the need for one though. I've had a couple of runs where someone was doing something very wrong, and everyone else explained how to do it, or what was being done wrong. Then this last for the entire dungeon, us explaining, them not listening (or even talking)

there are ways to implement it too, like an earlier post said "what about loooooot". You code it so kicks can't be done during loot rolls.

That being said, maybe a vote to kick isn't the right thing, and maybe there's another solution?

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Originally Posted by Deltaspirit

That being said, maybe a vote to kick isn't the right thing, and maybe there's another solution?

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The solution has always been a simple one. When someone is viewing a cutscene in the group the Timer should stop until everyone is finished with the cutscene and begin again once all group members are finished with the cutscene. Also, players cannot harm enemies during the cutscene progressing nor be harmed themselves and they can't obtain aggro since the Timer is not running yet until all players are done with the cutscene.

I don't even see why we need the Duty Finder... it's seems the longer it's around the more and more issues are coming about from it. People being rude, people wanting to kick people, people getting mad because half the group wants to watch cut scenes while the other half wants a speed run. People not doing their job because they aren't 'getting what they want'. People just leaving parties and abandoning people just because they can.

People are basically acting like children, and we never had all these issues in FFXI and in 1.0 when Duty Finder did not exist. If we did, it was on server and we could deal with that individual as a world community.

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Originally Posted by SagaSoluna

To be honest i sit on the fence about this issue.

I did have a few terrible runs where rude and mean people acted like jerks, went afk every few minutes or decided tactics are for n00bs and refused to do anything but cause wipes, blame everyone else and get upset upon being told the truth.

But on the other hand, i also had many players claim they wanted to kick someone simply because they made ONE mistake, because they wanted to watch the cutscenes or simply because they refused to skip mobs as they were not comfortable with it.

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This guy gets it. It's really a double-edged sword, and no matter what you do you'll have people abusing the current system. No kicks allowed? You'll get AFKers and lone wolves that feel the need to go off and do their own thing. Add the ability to kick? You'll get leaders that want things done THEIR way and ONLY their way. It's a touchy subject.