dps vs duty finder

look, you dont have to be a genius to understand the reason why dps roll's having such a hard time to access dungeons via duty finder. in my opinion, SE should predict that phenomena of most players would like to play dps, because it happens in almost every mmorpg out there. now i believe that the game will be balanced after the first 33 days and i rly hope it will, for it feels like im being punished for choosing the bard's life :D. maybe SE was wrong to build a system that creates "pure dps" or pure anything...
maybe SE needed to give each class a decent heal skill which will allows dps roll to stay alive and to be less rely on the healer, that way dps will be able to form parties without a healer or a tank. RELAX you must be furious after reading all this, but if ur not a dps roll u have no idea what it feels like to always write "lf blah blah" while ur waiting 30 min for each single dungeon...its frustrating that all.

That's precisely the approach GW2 took and that game's PvE is a chaotic mess. The biggest reason I'm playing this game is because it has a trinity system.

Also, it takes my healer 20+ mins to find a group since Haukke. The only time I get instant queues is if I'm playing a tank.

Befriend people...it's an MMO. Run dungeons with them. Problem solved.

I also choose to play this game because it uses the trinity system. There have been so many bed MMO's in the past 5 years that continually make it so each class can stand on their own, and reduces the need for teamwork and social activity. Its almost as if developers also, like OP, forgets that they are playing a community based multiplayer game based on team work.

I think WoW started going down hill around the time they introduced the cross server instance queues. While very convenient, even with 45 minute queues, it only further drove the communities apart. Systems like the Duty Finder to not promote friendship, bonds, or alliances with other players.. Its simply drives players further apart.

You should learn to rely on your team/server/guild mates, as they also need to be able to rely on you.

I couldn't disagree more. Did none of you play SWTOR? It didn't launch with a group finder and about 2 months in finding lowbe pugs became difficult.

Spamming a chat LFG isn't more social. No one wants to see it anymore then they want to see gold spam.

First off if dps are going to be able to survive better without a healer, I want to be able to do a whole lot more dmg so I can do my quests easier too. :P

Secondly, the game is far more difficult for healers and tanks than dps. I can't tell you how many countless times I get into a dungeon and the tank doesn't know how to grab aggro on more than one mob. In most MMOs a well geared/skilled healer can overcome bad tanks, but this game is far less forgiving. Bad tanks that don't know what they're doing lose half their health each hit, and even spamming your highest healing spell faces global cooldown times slower than the damage they can take.

In other words, stop your complaining, you'd find more groups if tanks and healers wanted to run instances....but this game is far more challenging for tanks and healers.

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Originally Posted by SirUrza

I couldn't disagree more. Did none of you play SWTOR? It didn't launch with a group finder and about 2 months in finding lowbe pugs became difficult.

Spamming a chat LFG isn't more social. No one wants to see it anymore then they want to see gold spam.

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I can't even count the amount of contacts, friends or just people for an dungeon or two i made through lfg/lfm "spam" (i am not sure how this is spam but well...) than through Trash Finder, especially cross server. I'd rather see 10.000 lfg or lfm than another game that gets ruined by a trash finder.

The DF should encourage people to actually step up and try playing a healer or tank. Over time, it will work out.

To be honest though, I think forcing each class into 1 of 3 roles is ridiuclous. Some of the best classes of previous MMOs have not fit into any of the trinity. Everquest enchanters or bards for instance. Also, its impossible to have any variety in encounters if a melee dps is supposed to be just as effective as ranged at all times for instance

The only exception to the rule so far is arcanist. Speaking of which, should have made them healer 1-30, because relying on conj 1-30 as the only healer is daft.

I prefer a 30 minute queue than having GW2's system. Holy trinity ftw.

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Originally Posted by Koreos

I prefer a 30 minute queue than having GW2's system. Holy trinity ftw.

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Koreos for president!!!

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Originally Posted by TirionCrey

Befriend people...it's an MMO. Run dungeons with them. Problem solved.

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Best way (at least for me?) and the one I prefer to befriend people is in Dungeons.

My problem is Duty finder is global, and whenever I meet someone nice he's from another server.

Ao how often do you guys use a potion then to stay alive?

I run with a buddy of mine who is a healer, and myself as a tank. Almost never duty find. We just ask for dps in zone and roll. It seems people you find that way are less of tool bags then DF. Also if it works out, add them to the friend list for future runs. I am about to give up on lancer/dragoons. Love the class, but the player base is... oy.

I may have to do a tank/healer since DF takes up to an hour depending on what is being queued :(

Increasing parties to 5, with 3 dps would help, but that brings in a whole load of technical issues and balancing issues.

If I queue alone as dps, I make sure to include all languages when I search (and join in progress if it's not a for a quest). It makes the queue faster, and I've hadn't had any issues. You'll probably want to read up on fights though, because chances of you asking the people in the group for help and them understanding you (vice versa) is slim.

Yup, I do queues for all languages. But DF I get in are either jp or eng speaking people, but mostly jp (considering I play on jp server). I start out with autotranslate saying hello, I don't speak any jp, please use autotranslate, thank you (using autotranslate). I asked what's the battle plan before boss fight. If they respond either in autotranslate or someone knows a little eng, I do what they say. If not, I go by experience since I have done them.
But DF takes up to an hour is bad as dps. I may have to turn to scholar and see how it does, but I spent tokens on summoner gear :( and I can't wear it as scholar.

I main BRD now, but I also have a 50 WAR. DF times suck after leveling WAR, but I almost always queue with a tank or healer so my DPS time is not bad as I tag along and kinda jump the dps line.

As a tank, I dont want to risk a bad healer or bad DPS, so I most often queue with a healer and sometimes a DPS also. At 50 atleast, many tanks will feel this way and do similar things and this will result in longer DPS queues, and healer queues also.

Point is, this is an MMO, join a FC, make friends, and play with them and don't rely on just the DF to get stuff done, the DF is there to help find others when you cant fill the hole group.

So they plainly said, the issue from 1 to 30 is a lack of tanks... not heals (maybe even 1 to 50). Why are tanks are to find? Because DPS are bad. I mean sure tanks are bad sometimes too, but I have yet to find a bad tank that I couldn't work with in a dungeon and I have used the duty finder for everything all the way up through Garuda now. The only thing that pisses me off, is when a tank breaks my CC on my sleep. But hey, if they aren't dying it really isn't a big deal.

Problem is, DPS don't attack the right targets. And during boss fights they DONT switch to adds. I have experienced it on both now being both a tank and a DPS. (My tank is only just starting in the dungeons, but like I said DPS has done up through Garuda). Unless your tank is absolutely trash (like just standing there or pointlessly running around in circles), work with them! Most importantly, be a better DPS, and stop pissing your tanks off, and maybe more would do it.

Majority of people just play DPS...for every dedicated Tank you have on a server, there are prolly 20 dedicated DDs...there is a simple reason for that.

Those people care more about putting out big numbers, than having actual responsibility in a fight. That's why so many DPS suck in Duty Finder...cause when they can't just stand still at one spot and hit their rotation buttons, they are overwhelmed. This is what makes the difference between good DDs and bad DDs...the good ones know how to deal damage AND have movement skills.