Make Dungeons more worthwhile

I waited 45 minutes with no duty finder pop for Copperbell Mines, I am a DPS. After this 45 minutes I went afk for 1 minute to do something real quick. In that 1 minute, the duty finder popped and went away, and I had to queue again. I am now in a queue for 30 minutes and counting.


At first I wondered why duty finders queue took me so long. I know I am a DPS but wait times this long are still ridiculous. I believe the reason for this are that dungeons are not worthwhile after the first time people complete them. That and FATEs are the #1 way to gain experience at the moment so...


Either nerf FATEs or make dungeons more worthwhile, because right now I am being gated from my mount and most of all cargo space that I so desperately need in the form of a retainer. Since I need the cargo space I am being forced to wait for what is over an hour so far just to get these things. I can imagine the experience will be similar in future dungeons as far as wait times go.


To those who say I should play a tank or healer if I want faster queues, that should not be the solution. People who want to play DPS should not have to wait for over an hour to get a duty finder queue, SE needs to find a solution to make dungeons more desirable to do after the first time.

Or... hear me out... you can form your own group :O

they need more healer classes for the duty finder and they need to nerf the fates xp a bit

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Originally Posted by Yamisniper

they need more healer classes for the duty finder and they need to nerf the fates xp a bit

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alot.
the FATEs give to much XP compared to the time it takes to do it vs a Dungeons + they give seals.

no point have more healers when there is FATEs thats even better then dungeons.

remove 20-50% of the XP in FATEs(or more) and/or add Seals to dungeons(FATEs should still give alot more then Dungeons)+ more XP (if "or" part)

if this happend you might get more people going to Dungeons then FATE grinding.

the fun part is that if i dont pick JP players to do dungeons with it takes 10-30 mins to find a party wile if i pick JP people i find one in less then 5 mins(as healer).
most if the times i have waited was because we was missing a tank

While I agree with the whole FATES being too good for everything it will NOT solve the dungeon queues, reason being if dungeons are more attractive more people will do them, which in turn means A TON OF DPS WITH WAY LESS HEALERS/TANKS so really nothing gets resolved because the problem is the disproportionate amount of DPS to Heals/Tanks.

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Originally Posted by Ephany

Or... hear me out... you can form your own group :O

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Duty finder clusters several servers together when looking for a group. What do you think my chances would be of finding a healer/tank on my server alone vs looking on a cluster of servers of people who are specifically looking for dungeons?

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

Duty finder clusters several servers together when looking for a group. What do you think my chances would be of finding a healer/tank on my server alone vs looking on a cluster of servers of people who are specifically looking for dungeons?

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I know its a strange suggestion but it's STILL easier and quicker to put together your own group. Just try it.

If you put together your own group you're not restricted to 1 healer, 1 tank, 2 dps setup that duty finder otherwise enforces.

Want faster queues as dps, convince more people to play healers and tanks.
More healer/tank classes would do little as if someone don't like to play a healer (or tank), adding healer (or tank) classes will do almost nothing to help.

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Originally Posted by Gramis

I know its a strange suggestion but it's STILL easier and quicker to put together your own group. Just try it.

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Even if what you suggested worked it still doesn't change the fact that there is a fundamental flaw with the system when it is this hard to find dungeons in the duty finder. I doubt that when SE created the duty finder they wanted people to wait possibly over an hour to find a dungeon with it. Something has to be done or it may turn away newcomers. There are a lot of impatient people whose first thought would not be to try to form their own group in server, rather... they would get angry and possibly think about unsubbing because of it. That is my main concern.

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

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There is no flaw, there is no MMO with a dungeon quuee system where DD get fast queues it is the simple fact that people usually do not play tanks or healers so if you want to fix this the only option is to get people to play tanks and healers or to make parties bigger to squeeze in more DD per dungeon.

And if people are so god awful impatient and lazy that they won't make their own party and leave because the queue isn't fast enough then I say mission accomplished we just weeded out some terrible person from the community.

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Originally Posted by Mazi

There is no flaw, there is no MMO with a dungeon quuee system where DD get fast queues it is the simple fact that people usually do not play tanks or healers so if you want to fix this the only option is to get people to play tanks and healers or to make parties bigger to squeeze in more DD per dungeon.

And if people are so god awful impatient and lazy that they won't make their own party and leave because the queue isn't fast enough then I say mission accomplished we just weeded out some terrible person from the community.

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Hmm.. I hate to bring up that "other game" but in their version of duty finder it takes about 10 minutes at most for a dps to get a queue for a dungeon. Having to wait more than an hour for dungeons that are also needed to progress your story further along to unlock certain things...I do not know how this is what SE intended for people. As to the second part of your post... I'm not sure why you would want anyone to leave no matter how terrible of a person you think they are. Them staying subbed means more money and success for SE. More money and success for SE means more content for you, churned out at a faster rate.

Duty Finder goes to show how intelligent Experience Point parties really were.

Duty Finder doesn't come up with the wacky party set ups that work, only the most traditional setup.

Perhaps Duty Finder should have the option to seek a group for a variety of party set ups

1. Traditional (as current)
2. Classes only
3. Jobs only
4. Free for all

I've seen posts on reddit where parties are having their carbuncle tank dungeons so I don't see why not basically.

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

Even if what you suggested worked it still doesn't change the fact that there is a fundamental flaw with the system when it is this hard to find dungeons in the duty finder. I doubt that when SE created the duty finder they wanted people to wait possibly over an hour to find a dungeon with it. Something has to be done or it may turn away newcomers. There are a lot of impatient people whose first thought would not be to try to form their own group in server, rather... they would get angry and possibly think about unsubbing because of it. That is my main concern.

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So what your saying is that people will get angry for putting themselves in a line? Man really is an evil creature, lol! On a serious note, the Duty Finder lets you remotely access a dungeon with a party set up… Seems to me that this is the way it was meant to function. If I'm right and you get in faster than the duty finder allows you it just means that you have a great server community everyone should depend more on.

During that time, you can use shout to find people or find friends to help you. Even guildies.

You're only at copperbell. Honestly, take a few hours and level a Conjurer or a tank class. Keep it on par with your favorite class so you can get into story instances instantly.
There are MANY more instanced fights to come in the storyline. Suck it up now, and you'll be helping a party of other people stuck in line while helping yourself. I have a lv50 DRG from 1.0 but I'm running through story on a GLD/PLD because it'd be hell getting into instances otherwise, plus I'll have a good role available when I unlock endgame again.

Don't just complain, DO something about it :)

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I should say though, that I agree there need to be more classes that can queue as healer. Either that or the duty finder needs to be more flexible.

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Originally Posted by Yamisniper

they need more healer classes for the duty finder and they need to nerf the fates xp a bit

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No.

People who will tank, will tank. People who heal, will heal. The problem isn't the ratio of classes, it's how people feel about the roles. If anyone dies, it's the tank's fault. If the tank dies, it's the healer's fault. The tank always has to perform at a level equal-to/above everyone else in the group. You can't casually eat dinner while tanking without some slippage, and these things hit hard enough that slippage must be corrected fast.

The bottleneck in the design is the 4 man party size.

i am running low lvl dungeons on my Scolar and my Eos or Selena is the main tank(if the tank does not know what to do) or i just end up pulling everything and tanking it.

the duty finder should have the potion to queue as scholar(healer, DPS or support) and summoner(dps and tank?) specaly for low lvls were class does matter much just as long you have a healer and a Tank
also you should be requerd to lvl slower because the way its now its to fast. pull more ppl to Dungeons and you have solved the Tank/Healer problem short of.

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Originally Posted by Altanas

Duty Finder doesn't come up with the wacky party set ups that work, only the most traditional setup.

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Two Tanks for Titan HM http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/...9924-kappa.png

you should check the option "join party in progress" and select all languages. although sometimes you will find out why the party is missing a member...