Battle designed with Battle classes in mind!

I think the devs promised a bit too much to the crafting/gathering community. While they should be able to have fun and expeience the game, they should not be able to expeience the whole game as the crafers/gatherers currenty are.

I know there are new class changes and battle mechanics changes on the way, as well as new content. But both old and new content should be dealt with in accordance to whos involved. Crafters and gahterers should not be expec
ted nor should they expect to be part of the main storyline any more so than they should with battle leves. Battle content should be challenging and designed with battle classes in mind.

I see two possible solutiuons:
1. Give the crafters/gatherers the ability to use their tools as weapons. (This way they could be somewhat effective in battle, but I still wouldnt totally like the idea.)

2. Make completely seperate paths for the main storylines and quests for crafters/gatherers. (This way battle classes could have a fun and challenging experience with battle content, and crafters and gatherers could as well but with storylines and quests that showcased how they help out in their unique way. Like crafting supplies for the war effort or building airships etc etc).

I really like #2 the best, because it would let those classes participate in the main storyline and the quests by utilizing their choosen skills. This would be complete with detailed story (and hopefully more CS for sidequests eventually). I can imagine a scenario where a crafter or gatherer is having a conversation with Cid about how he needs materials or needs them to help build parts for the Airship Armada.

Anyways my point is that I dont think that battle content should be made with crafters/gatherers in mind, because it would only serve to dumb down the challenge. In addition to this it would probably be more fun for crafters/gatherers to get involved with storylines and quests that focus on what they do well. And it goes without saying that battle classes would not be effective trying to do storylines and quests that revolve around crafting and gathering either. I'd like to see a Gladiator just try to forge a steam engine. What would he do? Sheild Bash it to completion?:confused:

I like #2, it sounds pretty interesting

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although I still think that crafters/gatherers shouldn't have been their own classes that you have to change to. We should just be able to use any certain tool for any certain task and level up the skill itself.

Yes, #2 is what they should've done from the beginning because the quests themselves are boring as hell - the cutscenes are great but mind numbingly boring getting to them.

Crafters/gatherers shouldn't be their own class I agree, and I also agree with making this games combat based on battle classes ONLY. There's no reason for craft/gathering classes to be their own classes anymore, they have no combat abilities that do anything and they're just side jobs like they were in FF11, let's keep it that way.

Crafters and gatherers where originally designed to fight in battle along side the DoW/DoM classes but there fighting abilities where pulled at the last minute. This is why they are such a horrendous grind as they were never supposed to get to R50 grinding on crafts.

SE need to either stop classing them as proper classes able to take part in the main storyline and reduce them to being side classes you can do or give them their abilities to fight back. Are we expected to believe an R50 Weaver can topple the Garlean Empire????

"If I had asked my customers what they wanted," Ford said, "they would have said a faster horse."

Yea I definately agree that they should just been side jobs instead of classes. As I said before the devs promised way more than they could deliver. However, unless they change the non-battle classes to just side jobs, I came up with this post. So now the deed is done so to speak.

Not to mention there are plenty of people who really do like them as main classes (I cant see why, but to each their own). So with that being the case I think #2 could really work out good for them as long as crafters and gatherers are main classes.

I think DoL or DoH shouln't be treated as just a side-class if you want people still be able to play it. They still should have an influential role in the story.
It's fine the way it is now. A swordsman can still be a good fisher, he has to eat right?
I think you are asking for something you don't have to ask for. Ofcourse they are making the Garlean empire storyline for combat classes, but don't kill the armory system by making gathering and crafting only able to fight with fishing rods and needles. That's just stupid.
There is no problem as of right now with that. So don't go looking for "solutions".

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Originally Posted by Thsscks

I think DoL or DoH shouln't be treated as just a side-class if you want people still be able to play it. They still should have an influential role in the story.
It's fine the way it is now. A swordsman can still be a good fisher, he has to eat right?
I think you are asking for something you don't have to ask for. Ofcourse they are making the Garlean empire storyline for combat classes, but don't kill the armory system by making gathering and crafting only able to fight with fishing rods and needles. That's just stupid.
There is no problem as of right now with that. So don't go looking for "solutions".

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Well this is what I mean. If you play as a Gladiator (or a Warrior, I wish), you can still be a good fisher by leveling up the fishing skill. Or whatever other skill you want to be. You should be able to gain titles that people can see, like Master Fisher or whatever lol (I don't know). But making the crafter/gatherers into main classes/jobs is kinda redundant I think, because they can't really do anything other than sit and craft. The way I'm envisioning it, battle classes/jobs can still sit back and fish, or craft something when they're not fighting. Right?

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If people want to 'play' it, they can still skill-up whatever skill they want to learn.

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Originally Posted by toshimoog

Well this is what I mean. If you play as a Gladiator (or a Warrior, I wish), you can still be a good fisher by leveling up the fishing skill. Or whatever other skill you want to be. You should be able to gain titles that people can see, like Master Fisher or whatever lol (I don't know). But making the crafter/gatherers into main classes/jobs is kinda redundant I think, because they can't really do anything other than sit and craft. The way I'm envisioning it, battle classes/jobs can still sit back and fish, or craft something when they're not fighting. Right?

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If people want to 'play' it, they can still skill-up whatever skill they want to learn.

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I agree to that and titles would be quite nice. But I don't see how using crafting or gathering tools as weapons would improve this.
I myself like gathering a lot, but I also want to be able to participate in combat and the mainstory normally.
I just wanted to put that out.

First off, I wanna say "FU D&D nerds!" I really wanted to see crafting and gathering classes to be able to participate in battle, not just parley with the enemy. You can do plenty with a needle and thread such as: poison needles, cut off limbs with thread, and slice your throat with piano wire. Getting hit with goblin frying pan was fun and pretty funny back in ffxi, and I want to be able to do the same thing. Maybe I'll make a mech that I can ride to battle and run around as blacksmith, or maybe make a mechanical puppet as goldsmith and become like a puppet master. Maybe make catapults as carpenter. Alchemists can use guns, make bombs, and throw vials of anthrax. This will bring in that uniqueness and fun element that's much needed in this game. Just because we don't carry a sword, a bow, or a lil gay wand doesn't make us less capable of being in battle.

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Originally Posted by Thsscks

I think DoL or DoH shouln't be treated as just a side-class if you want people still be able to play it. They still should have an influential role in the story.
It's fine the way it is now. A swordsman can still be a good fisher, he has to eat right?
I think you are asking for something you don't have to ask for. Ofcourse they are making the Garlean empire storyline for combat classes, but don't kill the armory system by making gathering and crafting only able to fight with fishing rods and needles. That's just stupid.
There is no problem as of right now with that. So don't go looking for "solutions".

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OK I think you are missin the point. I am not saying that crafters/gatherers cant participate in battle by pulling out your battle class, or that you should be stuck as a crafter or gahterer. You are reading more into it than was necessary. I just don't want crafters the way they CURRENTLY are to be expected to do main storylines and battles as a crafter or gatherer. It only leads to the battle mechanics being dumbed down to include crafters and gatherers. If your main is a Weaver, and you want to pull out your Lancer to fight in battle related content, then by all means go right ahead.

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Originally Posted by Dyne

First off, I wanna say "FU D&D nerds!" I really wanted to see crafting and gathering classes to be able to participate in battle, not just parley with the enemy. You can do plenty with a needle and thread such as: poison needles, cut off limbs with thread, and slice your throat with piano wire. Getting hit with goblin frying pan was fun and pretty funny back in ffxi, and I want to be able to do the same thing. Maybe I'll make a mech that I can ride to battle and run around as blacksmith, or maybe make a mechanical puppet as goldsmith and become like a puppet master. Maybe make catapults as carpenter. Alchemists can use guns, make bombs, and throw vials of anthrax. This will bring in that uniqueness and fun element that's much needed in this game. Just because we don't carry a sword, a bow, or a lil gay wand doesn't make us less capable of being in battle.

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LOL I think your post is funny. Dont misunderstand me, I am not making fun, it was just entertaining. But thats why I included option 1. While I personally think option 2 is better, option 1 could be fun and quite comical. I too wouldnt mind seeing a Culinarian bash a mob upside the head with a frying pan.

I think the main reason they pulled the DoL/DoH abilities to fight was they realised that they would be putting traditional classes back in the game and the DoL/DoH classes used a lot of their abilities like Miner being a THF type class with Treasure Hunter and Steal.

The DoL/DoH classes could be viable in combat I suppose. Miner uses a Pickaxe, Botanist uses a Scythe (DRK ^^), Fisher has a Spear too. Alchemist could make potions and buffs, Culinarian has a knife as well and could buff with food all sorts of thing really. Would have been interesting to see at least.

I'd still like to hear more feedback on this issue. My idea might not be perfect, but I am at least attempting a solution. If someone has a better solution, then by all means please speak up.