Relic Reborn Instance Battles Should be DF

Just some criticism here for SE: the chimera and hydras battles for A Relic Reborn really need to be supported by the duty finder. As it stands, it is RIDICULOUSLY difficult to get a party off of peak hours.

Don't really see a legitimate reason why these two battles aren't on the DF.

Bump for justice. As a side note, had to give up waiting for hydra last night, only to log in today to find no one is doing Relic quests. Srsly SE, fix this.

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Originally Posted by GilbertLapine

Bump for justice. As a side note, had to give up waiting for hydra last night, only to log in today to find no one is doing Relic quests. Srsly SE, fix this.

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Update again on the Relic Quest pain. Still trying to find a party -- it's peak usage in US right now and NO ONE on Balmung is doing the Hydra battle.

Good people of SquareEnix, for the love of whatever god you believe in, PLEASE PUT HYDRA AND CHIMERA ON DUTY FINDER. MAKE THE MADNESS STOP!!

Not to mention the fact that most people only want ranged DPS and monk/dragoon get shafted because of how easy it is to cheese the Triumvirate by running circles around it.

Meh... After trying Ifrit and Garuda for relic through Duty Finder, I'd say it's a blessing in disguise.

Update: still waiting. Managed to find 2 parties in 6 hours, both of which wiped because 1) the tank couldn't figure it out, or 2) they were horribly under geared.

If this were on DF, at least I would have been able to zerg it until I got a tank that wasn't a total joke. This is insane!

SE, you KNOW there is a shortage of tank players, yet you do this? Please, STAHP!

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Originally Posted by Neasa

Meh... After trying Ifrit and Garuda for relic through Duty Finder, I'd say it's a blessing in disguise.

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After spending 2 days trying to find a half-decent tank to run it, my answer to this is...

http://www.sellingtothemasses.com/wp...3/31135319.jpg

Can we get cost nerfs on the materia first? I'd heal it for ya, but the materia would run me 160+ k gil. I already had to shell out 70k for the weapon >_>

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Originally Posted by RileySantara

Can we get cost nerfs on the materia first? I'd heal it for ya, but the materia would run me 160+ k gil. I already had to shell out 70k for the weapon >_>

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The only way SE could accomplish that is to flood materia in the market and devalue what's already there. That or set a price ceiling for each, which would dramatically reduce supply as people no longer bother to assimilate unless they need a material for their own use. Just kinda sux, but it is what it is.

I've had to drop about 200k between buying the materia, the base weap, the catalyst, and getting someone to meld it, and all of the other nonesense thats gone on with the relic quest.

Trying to keep this up top! Another update: one more wipe! W00t! No one's looking for a party for hydra now, sure wish SE would stick these on the Duty Finder!

I'm in the same boat - I've got limited free time and it's often at non-peak hours (no matter where you live! XD ), so getting a non-DF party together is a nightmare and the biggest obstacle to me getting my relic weapon. I want the challenge to come from the battle itself, not from gathering the team to get to the battle. :/

The reason it's not on DF is precisely because it's more difficult. Yoshi stated the DF is only for convenience for the less difficult content. The more difficult content requires skill, coordination and planning that you simply aren't going to get out of a PUG. If you think it's bad you're failing with manually made groups, it would be 10 times worse if you tried doing it with a PUG.

The biggest issue right now is simply the lack of players at the stage where they need to be doing Hydra. If you're on a new server and you're doing Hydra, you're one of maybe 10% of the server that is at that level. It's a little better if you're on a Legacy server. And even if they opened it up to the DF, the queues would still be quite long for anyone but tanks and healers.

It's better they keep the difficult content off DF until the first level expansion.

Getting relic in ARR is so easy now compare to what it was in 1.0. Having only 2 battle out of 6 outside of DF is great. Make friends, join a LS and a FC is not that hard, after all is a MMO.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

The reason it's not on DF is precisely because it's more difficult. Yoshi stated the DF is only for convenience for the less difficult content. The more difficult content requires skill, coordination and planning that you simply aren't going to get out of a PUG. If you think it's bad you're failing with manually made groups, it would be 10 times worse if you tried doing it with a PUG.

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then why are they nerfing 24 man raids so they can put them into the duty finder?
on the positive side i agree with this the fact every single other instance in the game can be done through duty finder and these 2 cant is just dumb. even hard mode primals are in duty finder...

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

Getting relic in ARR is so easy now compare to what it was in 1.0. Having only 2 battle out of 6 outside of DF is great. Make friends, join a LS and a FC is not that hard, after all is a MMO.

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I'm in a FC that's showing over 400 active members on Lodestone - even with that sort of company finding seven other players with the right jobs that all happen to be free at the same time as I am is difficult (and that's just to *try* the instance, never mind practise enough to succeed at it).

Anyone remember a time when people formed groups, or "linkshells" where people attended events to help each other out even when some of the attendees didn't need/want the event?

Now it seems people expect SE to create a community for them.

*adjusts onion on his belt, yells at cloud*
**walks away**

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Originally Posted by KimimiAvesta

I'm in a FC that's showing over 400 active members on Lodestone - even with that sort of company finding seven other players with the right jobs that all happen to be free at the same time as I am is difficult (and that's just to *try* the instance, never mind practise enough to succeed at it).

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Why not schedule it? People used to arrange 15-man HNM runs in V1 all the time (when the HNM were first released, it became 4-man later). In older MMOs 40+ man raids were common. If your FC has 400 members, I think you may need to look again at quality control.

This is so sad.... people nowdays expect to get the most powerful weapon in the game just by signing up in dungeon finder and putting 0 effort to make it, not even creating a party. Just ask SE to give the relic to you for free, not much difference.

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Originally Posted by Azrael

This is so sad.... people nowdays expect to get the most powerful weapon in the game just by signing up in dungeon finder and putting 0 effort to make it, not even creating a party. Just ask SE to give the relic to you for free, not much difference.

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Yup, totally no effort. People don't have to still win fights or anything. They just queue up for DF and ~*~poof~*~ it's over. That's why we have so many threads about DF being bad with random players, it just totally hands them victories all the time!

It would be nice if the fights were in DF, for convenience and consistency with the other parts of the quest.

Seriously, it is good that there is some content you need to group up for. You wont get your relic with the Duty Finder anyways since PUGs wont kill Titan.

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Originally Posted by Somnus

You wont get your relic with the Duty Finder anyways

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Then why not put it on Duty Finder anyway?

Seriously... I hate the Duty Finder as much as anyone, I've dubbed it the Stupidity Finder out of spite... I can count the number of times I've enjoyed the parties it's put me in on one hand... One hideously disfigured, blender mutilate hand... But seriously... What is wrong with giving people that option for content? It doesn't make a Relic any easier. Just like with every other piece of grouped content so far, your best bet would still be to form a static and not dunk your brain in acid at the sheer stupidity of random pick up parties... But if someone actively wants to use the Stupidity Finder instead of that? Let them. If they want to kill off brain cells and waste time in such parties, I'm not going to stop them, maybe Yoshida feels he has a moral obligation to stop that, though.

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Originally Posted by Somnus

Seriously, it is good that there is some content you need to group up for. You wont get your relic with the Duty Finder anyways since PUGs wont kill Titan.

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I agree it's good to see content that you need to group up for. However, I think that DF would be a convenient way of filling up slots when you are 6/8 after hours of begging your FC/LSs and shouting in Ul'dah (or wherever people shouts these days)

NO one is allowed to complain about the relic quest, as it stands now the time for a full relic start to finish is a joke compared to 1.0 and that was a joke compared to FFXI. I'm not saying I want it harder but just don't come here and whine about shelling out a wopping 200k on relic when I pad 70,000,000 gil for a double mailbreaker that would not meld (still never got it).

So all I can say here is if your getting a Relic Wep then your a serious player and looking for endgame, so if you cant get this done via your FC, then you have a huge issue and should resolve that first as if you cant get these done inside FC you wont stand a change with titan, or coil or anything else that is larger content when we get it. Your either rushing it too fast for your FC (not like you really need to have a relic this early) or need a new FC. There are plenty of other things you can work on for gear and such till your in a good FC or your FC catches up to you who leveled much faster.

Here:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/f...Balmung(LEGACY)

Make a thread there. Ask the ppl of your world if they would like to make a party to tackle this boss. I'm sure a lot of ppl in your server would love to have this done.

Plus I can't believe you are unable to find a group, I once teleported in Mor Dhona / Coerthas / Uldah and got my party done in less than 5 minutes, alot of people ask / need those fights.

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Originally Posted by Azrael

Plus I can't believe you are unable to find a group, I once teleported in Mor Dhona / Coerthas / Uldah and got my party done in less than 5 minutes, alot of people ask / need those fights.

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Heh, the only reason it's hard is because people get forced to use the duty finder from the start and thus when it comes time to actually put in some work and put together a party a lot of people not in FCs can't do so.

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Originally Posted by RileySantara

Can we get cost nerfs on the materia first? I'd heal it for ya, but the materia would run me 160+ k gil. I already had to shell out 70k for the weapon >_>

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Eh, the game is still very young, and few people are high level. It's pretty understandable that the economy would be a little thin right now, and prices will be high. Give it some time.

Rush to end game then cry that you have trouble finding groups. No one feels sorry for you. Level a subclass.

My problem with A Relic Reborn is the lack of coordination when you get 8 random people together no matter if server or DF. I have been stuck on Hydra and Garuda hard for some time, reason being is latency is still a major problem. And the constant "first time", which mind you i have nothing against. Yet many others do not share my point of view. In fact i would go as far as to say the DF primal fights, or anything that is DF should give the people a slight handy cap if nothing else. Ifrit hard takes about 10 min with a FC or a LS, yet it takes over 40+ using the DF and having to wipe 3-5 times until people start to play nice.

Back on topic, while i have nothing against DF the relic fights, i doubt it would make he battle better. Me, you, they: we all play at 120% skill when with friends for some reason, yet from what i see in DF people don't even give a 50% passing effort.