Why did they stop talking since boards came up?

What happened to the Producer's Letters that were coming at a fast pace early one, telling us what they're doing, where they're at and sometimes getting a little personal too. Seriously, I don't know about anyone else but I'm bored out of my mind waiting on empty promises. Tell us what you guys are doing in detail.

It's coming up! this spring!

Probably because everytime he gives an update, it's never enough for some players.

I was under the impression they were going to give us actual game details on Companies (finally) weeks ago. Still waiting on those. Really looking forward to something that actually tells us how they work rather than the vague lore we've gotten so far.

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Originally Posted by Chezen

Probably because everytime he gives an update, it's never enough for some players.

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Of course not because he doesn't go into detail on anything at all. People want details they don't want something like the Grand Companies page they hyped up as if its going to blow our brains when it was barely anything. Give us details on everything they're working on so we have something to discuss at the very least and give them feedback on, god knows they barely know how to make a fun game any more they need as much help as they can get.

They also talk on the forums, usually through community reps though.

We still get producer's letters, they're posted on the forums instead of the front page.

Still, the gap between the last letter and the one before was much bigger than it has been previously and the letter barely gave us any details other than that they're working on stuff we already know they're working on. And I know the reps talk on the forums but its more like "here's something to shut you guys up for a little while longer."

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Originally Posted by Mack

Still, the gap between the last letter and the one before was much bigger than it has been previously and the letter barely gave us any details other than that they're working on stuff we already know they're working on. And I know the reps talk on the forums but its more like "here's something to shut you guys up for a little while longer."

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Japan got hit with one of the worst natural disasters in a really long time. Of course there was a larger gap, I don't really know what else to say. If anything, these forums have increased communicatioin, we get several (sometimes upwards of 10) dev posts in a day. They've been busy just sit tight.

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Originally Posted by Mack

god knows they barely know how to make a fun game any more they need as much help as they can get.

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This is exactly my point. After reading this, I wouldn't want to post either.

I could be completely wrong about the reason. He could just be working very hard and too busy. But I'm tired of people acting like the dev team are robots incapable of messing up or never in need of sleep or rest, or impervious to negative attitudes on the forums.

You want a good game? Find a way to bring more positivity to your posts... please.

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Originally Posted by Ava

Japan got hit with one of the worst natural disasters in a really long time. Of course there was a larger gap, I don't really know what else to say. If anything, these forums have increased communicatioin, we get several (sometimes upwards of 10) dev posts in a day. They've been busy just sit tight.

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Not to mention Yoshi-P got sick, Most likely from the huge travel log he just finished going to all the regions and doing major interviews with multiple Press and Fansites.

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Originally Posted by Ava

Japan got hit with one of the worst natural disasters in a really long time. Of course there was a larger gap, I don't really know what else to say. If anything, these forums have increased communicatioin, we get several (sometimes upwards of 10) dev posts in a day. They've been busy just sit tight.

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I'm sympathetic, I honestly am, but SE is running a business and its falling apart every day they don't change the way they do things. Let me tell you something I absolutely HATE RPGs but I've played every single RPG SE has made since FFX when I fell in love with the FF franchise. I haven't hated a single game but for FFXIV. Anyone here convincing themselves this game is good or going somewhere is sitting on empty promises - this game has already lost. Someone else posted something about competition creeping around the corner, the competition is stiff and it looks good anyway you look at it. FFXIV has failed majorly and that's why I want to know what plans they actually have to spring it back to life and maybe give it the push it needs to a successful PS3 release. I stick around to see where it gets to, but no one should be defending SE because its clear they took every shortcut in the book with this game and tried to do us in by selling us the name....and for the most part they did do us in considering it sold fairly well.

EDIT: let me rephrase that, I hate any RPG that isn't SE or FF. Not one I played gives me the same feeling FF does, at least any FF before FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Chezen

Probably because everytime he gives an update, it's never enough for some players.

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Probably because we don't give a crap of the fact that he hates flying or that he's been sick >.>

I honestly believe most forumites will only be happy if the game gets cancelled. Just so they can beat their chests and scream I told you so.

The devs don't owe any of us anything. You can scream for more information all you like but at the end of the day - who are you? Why do you think you are so important that your demands should be met.

Stop acting like a child and be patient. If that is too much for you then quit playing and go do something else.

Well it is obvious why there was no letter in March and there has been 2 this month, the last one being only 10 days ago.

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Originally Posted by Mack

I'm sympathetic, I honestly am, but SE is running a business and its falling apart every day they don't change the way they do things. Let me tell you something I absolutely HATE RPGs but I've played every single RPG SE has made since FFX when I fell in love with the FF franchise. I haven't hated a single game but for FFXIV. Anyone here convincing themselves this game is good or going somewhere is sitting on empty promises - this game has already lost. Someone else posted something about competition creeping around the corner, the competition is stiff and it looks good anyway you look at it. FFXIV has failed majorly and that's why I want to know what plans they actually have to spring it back to life and maybe give it the push it needs to a successful PS3 release. I stick around to see where it gets to, but no one should be defending SE because its clear they took every shortcut in the book with this game and tried to do us in by selling us the name....and for the most part they did do us in considering it sold fairly well.

EDIT: let me rephrase that, I hate any RPG that isn't SE or FF. Not one I played gives me the same feeling FF does, at least any FF before FFXIV.

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This is a better statement and completely warranted. But they can't give too many details for a couple of reasons. One, if things change, people will hold them for it. Two, you just can't have too many cooks in the kitchen. Especially with the creative process. It's better to just post ideas as they come to you. It might inspire them in some way, or it might not.

If you have loved every game except this one, then you know what they are capable of. Anyone can mess up sometime, and we still don't even really know what happened behind the scenes. But their track record should earn them the chance to try again.

hmm, from what i remember...

when he wrote that letter about the easter event, people got up in arms complaining about how 1.17 wasn't going to have content, SE was just sitting on their asses, and SE isnt doing anything to make the game better.

yoshi then had to release another letter explaining himself to us; something no developer has to do. so what do you think hes going to do?

i dont blame him for not releasing more letters. all we do is find something something to complain and whine about. just like we're doing now

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Originally Posted by PennywisE

I honestly believe most forumites will only be happy if the game gets cancelled. Just so they can beat their chests and scream I told you so.

The devs don't owe any of us anything. You can scream for more information all you like but at the end of the day - who are you? Why do you think you are so important that your demands should be met.

Stop acting like a child and be patient. If that is too much for you then quit playing and go do something else.

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And here you're wrong :D
Nobody asked them to build these forums we already had fansite's forums to communicate with each other, these ones are meant to communicate with the devs, nobody obliged them to start this "communication campaign" they did it, they wanted our feedback, they wanted to know what we think, they clearely asked for hour help to make the game better.
Now tell me, how are we supposed to give feedback, opinions, suggestions on something we don't know anything about?
They said they want to communicate with us, now they have to do it.

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Originally Posted by Chezen

Then I doubt many will be sympathetic to your inconvience either.

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hey I'm sorry, I donì't want any sympathy from someone I don't know, I'm not gonna be hypocrite, Yoshi-P isn't my brother, my best friend or even my room mate, he's the producer of the game I've been playing for the last 9 months, so I'd like him to talk about the game. >.>

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Originally Posted by Alcide

hey I'm sorry, I donì't want any sympathy from someone I don't know, I'm not gonna be hypocrite, Yoshi-P isn't my brother, my best friend or even my room mate, he's the producer of the game I've been playing for the last 9 months, so I'd like him to talk about the game. >.>

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I slightly misunderstood your post, so I appologize for that. Not going to repeat what I said in my earlier post about him posting particulars. However, I love Yoshi's posts, including how he is doing.

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Originally Posted by Alcide

And here you're wrong :D
Nobody asked them to build these forums we already had funsite's forums to communicate with each other, these ones are meant to communicate with the devs, nobody obliged them to start this "communication campaign" they did it, they wanted our feedback, they wanted to know what we think, they clearely asked for hour help to make the game better.
Now tell me, how are we supposed to give feedback, opinions, suggestions on something we don't know anything about?
They said they want to communicate with us, now they have to do it.

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They have, the thing is they don't come here to hear your bellyaching, they don't come here for you act like a 2nd hand manager who's knowledge of game development may or may not be existent. They came for your ideas, they can manage the other two on their own.

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Originally Posted by Alcide

Now tell me, how are we supposed to give feedback, opinions, suggestions on something we don't know anything about?

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I agree. I'm not demanding anything, I don't think they owe me anything, but how am I supposed to give feedback on i.e. Companies when I have no clue what they are about. I thought these forums (or is it fora?) was about players giving feedback on specific dev information. If Companies are so far down the road that giving specific info to us is impossible, the Grand Companies page seems premature.

Still excited about 1.17a though!

I would like another af esque looking gear set teaser pic. ^^ *hint hint*

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Originally Posted by Alcide

And here you're wrong :D
Nobody asked them to build these forums we already had funsite's forums to communicate with each other, these ones are meant to communicate with the devs, nobody obliged them to start this "communication campaign" they did it, they wanted our feedback, they wanted to know what we think, they clearely asked for hour help to make the game better.
Now tell me, how are we supposed to give feedback, opinions, suggestions on something we don't know anything about?
They said they want to communicate with us, now they have to do it.

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HAHAHAHAHAHA! you sad little person. THEY DON'T OWE US ANYTHING.

They have simply given us a means of communication, with them and each other. You honestly think that because they have their own forum they are obliged to list and give details of every little thing they are working on?

We are currently playing a free-to-play MMO. We all dropped the money for the game (or got a pass from a friend) and I believe that the playtime we have had already easily accounts for that.

Cry on little children, cry on.

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Originally Posted by Alcide

Now tell me, how are we supposed to give feedback, opinions, suggestions on something we don't know anything about?

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How can you give feedback at all on something not even released? It's hard to give good feedback on something if you never actually tried it. When Yoshi-P does want opinions on just an idea, he asks.

Edit: btw, when something is released, I haven't seen much feedback on it. Just complaints on what's not released. For instance, do people like the new toggles and mob level displays? I never saw a thread on it.

This game desperately needs a Public Test Server.

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Originally Posted by Verecund

This game desperately needs a Public Test Server.

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I think we are the public test server, for the time being.

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They have, the thing is they don't come here to hear your bellyaching, they don't come here for you act like a 2nd hand manager who's knowledge of game development may or may not be existent. They came for your ideas, they can manage the other two on their own.

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Oh and did you read all of my posts on all of the forums, so you've got a reason for saying this or you came here insulting for free?
Again, tell me how are we supposed to give feedback, opinions, suggestions, ideas on something we don't know anything about? I gave a lot of suggestions on the things we know: on Behest, NM, BR, Class uniqueness and about the actual battle system, I talked about crafting on the Carpenters' forum, I talked about Lancer's role in the Lancers' forum I even explained my usual skill pattern and how I usually plan BR when killing NM, but since they're gonna change all of these things from the core and we have no idea how they're gonna do it, how can we be of any help to them or to each other? what's the point of having these forums right now?

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Originally Posted by PennywisE

HAHAHAHAHAHA! you sad little person. THEY DON'T OWE US ANYTHING.

They have simply given us a means of communication, with them and each other. You honestly think that because they have their own forum they are obliged to list and give details of every little thing they are working on?

We are currently playing a free-to-play MMO. We all dropped the money for the game (or got a pass from a friend) and I believe that the playtime we have had already easily accounts for that.

Cry on little children, cry on.

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Oh dear, you shouldn't really say anything if you're just gonna repeat the same thing over and over just adding some insults randomly.
Easy thing, they said they wanted to communicate with us (don't give me the hassle to have to look for that letter to quote it) are they doing it? No. Writing informations right when the server goes down is not communicating. Writing random names of future features without any explaination is not communicating. Ignoring the people on the forums getting hyped up is not communicating. We don't pretend to know every single detail, I would be really greatful if we had just a vague idea on what is gonna come.
You say you are willing to do something, you have to do it, end of the discussion.

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Oh and did you read all of my posts on all of the forums, so you've got a reason for saying this or you came here insulting for free?
Again, tell me how are we supposed to give feedback, opinions, suggestions, ideas on something we don't know anything about? I gave a lot of suggestions on the things we know: on Behest, NM, BR, Class uniqueness and about the actual battle system, I talked about crafting on the Carpenters' forum, I talked about Lancer's role in the Lancers' forum I even explained my usual skill pattern and how I usually plan BR when killing NM, but since they're gonna change all of these things from the core and we have no idea how they're gonna do it, how can we be of any help to them or to each other? what's the point of having these forums right now?

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Well... if Yoshi-P doesn't have a pretty clear idea on what he wants to do by now, then the game really is in trouble. If you have given your suggestions as you said, then you have already done what he asked for. Time to sit and wait so he can get it finished. After it's released, I'm sure he would like to have our feedback.

They didn't stop talking. There have just been pauses in between, while they're busy working hard. Even when Yoshida-san isn't writing to us - between letters the community reps having been speaking to us daily.
I don't believe they have made any empty promises. :\

You know half of their job was discovering what Tanaka's team was doing, that I believe is over now since Tanaka is back working with FFXI. I only believe truly now have they been able to go forward with their vision after making sense of what Tanaka had in store and scrapping some of that crap.

Alcide, no. Just no.

We get regular updates on the things they are working on and the dev tracker seems to have a few more posts everyday. I believe that is called communication. You are just crying your little heart out because you want to know everything now. It's never going to happen.

They do not need to tell you everything because your a player - the end user. They are the developer - they provide the game, you give feedback on what has been implemented. If it hasn't been implemented then you haven't got any first hand experience, therefore your 'feedback' is worthless.

I'm really having trouble understanding why you think your opinion is that important. So far the only opinion you have expressed in this thread is that the game has already failed. I'm glad they aren't taking your advice otherwise they would have all given up already.

SE will make this into a good game or it will fail. Those are the only two options. Yoshi-P calling you personally at the end of each day to let you know what he's done won't change the outcome. Personally, they could stop the letters from the producer and community posts all together. I bought the game to live in the world they made for us and I will continue playing to see what they have up their sleeves.

Either way, I'm finished with this conversation. I've got to get back to the game rather than sit here listening to complaints that are the product of nothing more than impatience.

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I'm really having trouble understanding why you think your opinion is that important. So far the only opinion you have expressed in this thread is that the game has already failed. I'm glad they aren't taking your advice otherwise they would have all given up already.

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I've never said something like that, I trust SE as a softwere house that developed most of my favorite games of all times, actually I think that FF14 right now is lacking of content but is still enjoyable at it's current state (I was in favor of improving the current battle system rather than making a new one from scratch, but oh well let's see how it ends up).
I have no doubt this game is gonna rock sooner or later, SE already got all of my respect from the developing point of view, but it's undenyable that their communication strategy sucks.
On the forums people are eager to give their ideas, they are speculating about everything, the devs just mentioned "Job System" and countless threads started speculating on them; whenever they give us a date for a patch people start speculating on what is gonna be about and most of the times they end up disappointed.
In game it's even worse, those that are playing are clearely enjoying the game as it is, but they're unsure about its future and after all this time they just want to know where it's heading, you can feel the stress in every party.
There is clearely a problem with their communication strategy, they just can't go on teasing the people every now and then, cause sepculations always leads to hype that most of the times leads to disappointment.

I think communication is excellent personally.

With every single feature they may or may not add to the game people will daydream and imagine how the feature might work, and get ideas in their heads of how they want it to be.. But the thing is, everyone thinks differently. Everyone will have their own idea of what's best. Everyone has their idea of what they want.. And then the feature is released and it's not what people imagined, and some people won't like it. It will happen with everything.

SE can't give us more information on something than they're able to. They don't want to make promises they can't keep.
And so, people will daydream. It's no one's fault really. You could blame SE for not doing more than they're able to.. which is kinda pointless. >.> Or you could blame people for imagining what things might be like and getting excited.
Either would be unfair. Things are as they are. SE is doing the best they can.

To those saying they shouldn't post any particulars, look at the Japanese Letter from the Producer's views. Letter from the Producer VI had 69,000 views while Letter from the Producer VIII has only 30,000 views, people are losing interest rapidly. Something needs to be done to bring people back.

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To those saying they shouldn't post any particulars, look at the Japanese Letter from the Producer's views. Letter from the Producer VI had 69,000 views while Letter from the Producer VIII has only 30,000 views, people are losing interest rapidly. Something needs to be done to bring people back.

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A list of particulars won't bring people back to the game. An actual update with the amendments will.

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Oh and did you read all of my posts on all of the forums, so you've got a reason for saying this or you came here insulting for free?
Again, tell me how are we supposed to give feedback, opinions, suggestions, ideas on something we don't know anything about? I gave a lot of suggestions on the things we know: on Behest, NM, BR, Class uniqueness and about the actual battle system, I talked about crafting on the Carpenters' forum, I talked about Lancer's role in the Lancers' forum I even explained my usual skill pattern and how I usually plan BR when killing NM, but since they're gonna change all of these things from the core and we have no idea how they're gonna do it, how can we be of any help to them or to each other? what's the point of having these forums right now?

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I highly doubt SE reads these forums and takes ideas directly. What likely happens is Yoshi-P has a vision for the future of the game, he has a plan and he's going to more or less stick strictly to that plan. We can't change that. However, by posting our thoughts on what we already have, and what we want in the future, he can take that vision and use our posts as inspiration for the actual implementation of the vision.

We all have ideas for improvements for the game, some get responses others do not. But I am sure a vast majority of them are at the very least read. Our ideas will fuel the inspiration for when Yoshi-P implements his vision.

An example would be classes right now. We all have ideas for improving the classes that we play and while we all know the entire battle system is changing, and maybe even the class system, Yoshi-P can still be inspired by our wishes. If you think something is too powerful, then post it. If Drain sucks, tell them why. Even if Drain is removed or redesigned entirely, they can use your suggestion elsewhere in the game. Maybe your suggestion to improve Drain can help improve Siphon MP, or other spells, whatever they may be.

Just because we don't know all of the changes they plan to make doesn't nullify the value of feedback. It can very much be used as inspiration, you're not going to change his vision anyways.

this site gets more dev hits then WoW.'s does. And they have been communicating AND doing crowd control in threads. Like the thread everyone was up in arms over nms being too easy, or about the dungeons. They gave us info that when the ps3 is out there is a very good chance the missing genders are added. And that was something on ppls minds since pre launch, heck pre alpha. They are not going to give us a point by point detailed discussion on what everything will be. The reason is due to players will do things differently then how devs envisioned.

Case 1: Yoshi-p post letters after 1 moth, as now:
"yoshi-p is a bad person, he don't communicate, the game has failed".

Case 2:Yoshi-p write 2 letters a week:
"why he's losing time writing shitty letters with all the work he need to do ?! Omg the game is really doomed now".

you can see it incoming a mile away -_-.