ACN rotation help

Im looking for a lvl 43 ACN rotation. I have played around with some, but I want to know whats working for others.

Current
Bio II/Miasma/Bio/Fester/Bane, spam ruin 2-adds

Bio II/Miasma/Bio/Fester/Virus-boss

I have heard of people using aero and thunder, but i have not tested them out.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

*Also what are good skills to pull from other classes*

Get Raging Strikes from Archer. Get Thunder from Thaumaturge. You can go by with that but later on you want to get Thaumaturge to 26 for swiftcast (will be useful for instant raise for party member who died from lack of awareness, or instant summon if needed, or instant tri-disaster in case). I can also see Quelling Strikes useful from Archer since I always get agro on Fates from Cyclops or Shiva or any NM. I believe tanks are not trying to keep agro on those Fates and since I outdamage all class, I repeat I outdamage all class, I became tank on those and it's annoying to tank when I am not tank. But most of the time, my Titan will try to grab hate. If I stop casting then my titan will get hate back. But if I keep attacking, I don't lose hate. You ask why I say I outdame all class? Simply because I am the highest in threat meter out of 20-30 people doing Fate with me and you get in threat meter due to your damage or healing. Since I don't have the need to heal then it's due to my constant DoTs and Fester.
For rotation, read post# 44-49 from this thread.

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Originally Posted by nimuniverse

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Your rotation is kind of wonky. Miasma II should never be used single target, Virus should only be used as needed(or before a strong AoE), etc.


ALWAYS, ALWAY ALWAYS ALWAYSSSSSSSS
start Bio II -> Miasma -> Bio

Always. I see so many summoners starting with other stuff.

DON'T DO IT.

That starting rotation gets you to Fester the fastest without any GCD clipping by using an off-GCD ability while your GCD is ready, and it easily sets up your rotation/timers for the future.

Here is a general starting rotation:
Bio II -> Miasma -> Bio -> Fester during GCD(make sure to delay it a little more until the Bio debuff is present) -> Shadow Flare -> Thunder -> Ruin -> Ruin II -> Raging Strikes+Fester during GCD -> Bio -> Miasma -> Thunder -> Fester -> Bio II -> Ruin -> Shadow Flare -> Bio -> Contagion during GCD.

After that you have to let the DoTs wear off completely because you can't overwrite a RS+DoT with a normal DoT, so then just proceed to keep DoTs up. Use Ruin II when you want to use Rouse/Spur(should be on CD, but don't use until after that initial rotation. No time).


Since you're not 50(no Shadow Flare), just replace that with a ruin.



And, yes, get thunder and Raging Strikes. After that get Swiftcast, which is very useful. Instant cast battle rez, or to re-summon pets.

I use mostly Kevee's rotation but I am only 40.

I use Bio II first on bosses but for mobs when I am fighting normal mobs - I use Miasma for the slow then Bio II. (Sometimes I will cast Miasma first for a boss but that is purely due to accident because I am so used to hitting keys in a certain order for fighting mobs xD but I do know Bio II goes first)

I may be a bit ignorant here, but short of Ruin II costing more mana... why would you choose ruin I over ruin II; short of you running out of mana?

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Originally Posted by Terk177

I may be a bit ignorant here, but short of Ruin II costing more mana... why would you choose ruin I over ruin II; short of you running out of mana?

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SMN has major mana problems if you want to keep up Thunder, and at 50 Shadow Flare, while maintaining Fester use and never using Energy Drain.


A BRD does rectify this, but SMN has pretty big mana problems for the optimal rotation.


Basically, it boils down to this:
If you have time to use Ruin or Ruin II, use Ruin II only when you need to use an off-GCD skill.


Edit: This is about the ~4-5min mark that you'll start to run low without a BRD. If you ever need to re-summon your pet or battle rez, this problem is greatly exacerbated.

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Originally Posted by nimuniverse

I outdamage all class, I repeat I outdamage all class,

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until parsing works properly, you can not make any such claim. you can not base such claims on threat because we do not know the base mechanics of the game well enough yet, including how square treats threat. there are abilities you can cast that do no dmage or healing initially that instantly give you threat from my observations, and there are high damage abilities when i play bard that produce little to no threat vs. the initial-no-damage application of bio 2 or miasma.

until we have the facts your claims are anecdotal at best, baseless at worst.

rotation for a dot class is always longest duration dots > lowest duration dots. no exceptions.

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Originally Posted by Dixa

rotation for a dot class is always longest duration dots > lowest duration dots. no exceptions.

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LOL I registered just to laugh at this

Why not start with Bio since it's instant cast? Sure you have to wait on GCD but it's about the same duration as waiting for Bio II to cast initially.

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Originally Posted by ienmity

Why not start with Bio since it's instant cast? Sure you have to wait on GCD but it's about the same duration as waiting for Bio II to cast initially.

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Because then you're forced to use an off-GCD skill while your GCD is ready, which delays it, and it doesn't set your rotation up for the future.

Really it won't matter in a long fight what you start with, as long as all of your dots are kept in rotation after the first initial round, we are only talking maybe 20-30 points of damage (at my level anyways) based on initial casting. I think the most important thing is to keep an eye on your dot times and keep them up, more so than worrying about the rotation. All the dots are on the same GCD just like other classes. I know that by starting with bio > miasma > bio II > thunder > Ruin, bio just wears off and I am able to instant cast it again. (rotation at lv. 30).

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Originally Posted by ienmity

I'm confused. I thought bio is on GCD?

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I'm talking about Fester.

If you do Bio -> Miasma/Bio II -> Miasma/Bio II

You'll be doing fester after that Miasma/Bio II, and you will be on the GCD, and your next action is delayed. Using this rotation it will happen more often, which is what you DON'T want to happen, and the timers don't work as nicely as the rotation I posted.

Edit: Also, Bio does more DPS but less damage per cast. There are a lot of times this is necessary(along with the longer timer coming first being nice).

Ifrits jumping up to do his charges. Would you rather have Bio, or Bio II? You'd want Bio II, because after he lands you only need to apply Miasma/Bio before being able to use Fester again, whereas if you applied Bio then you'd need to re-apply all 3.

That makes sense. I don't have fester yet, so I haven't had to worry about it. Thanks.

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That makes sense. I don't have fester yet, so I haven't had to worry about it. Thanks.

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You'll learn to love Fester, and learning to properly utilize it and when you need to manage your mana(Energy Drain) is a big thing.


On a side note, I had a 1177 crit Fester yesterday. It felt nice.