Currently, we're having a problem with burgeoning repair costs. Unlike in 1.0, monsters in high level content don't drop dark matter anymore, and harvesting/gathering nodes do not in fact produce dark matter.
This is contrary to what is written under "Repairing Gear" in "Active Help", which clearly states "Dark Matter can be purchased in stores, as well as gathered in the field". It can not.
I think one solution is simply to return Dark Matter to harvesting nodes or dungeon drops - make the Dark Matter vendor for 1 gil, and people who only want to run dungeon content and have no interest in harvesting/crafting might be happier without having to injure their wallets (although they will have to find a friend to help them repair their gear).
Please consider this request, as I believe it will lead to a more healthy gameplay mood without having to worry about bills (something which I think should be best left to real life).
Edit: I am aware that it can also be purchased with grand company seals, but the current cost of over 2k for 5 pieces of rank 5 dark matter (insufficient to even mend a full set of gear) seems a bit unreasonable, personally.
Dark Matter should be returned to gathering points.
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09-03-2013, 07:41 PMCatharsisDark Matter should be returned to gathering points.
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09-03-2013, 07:42 PMFelis
You are right.
SE should fix the Active Help text.
In every city, in every camp there is a NPC selling Dark Matter for cheap. -
09-03-2013, 07:56 PMCatharsisGrade V Dark Matter is 350 gil per piece. It is often cheaper just to use the Repair NPC than to purchase Grade V. We have 11 or 12 gear slots (depending on the use of the offhand) and repairing all of those would cost 3850 or 4200 gil, which I do not think qualifies as "cheap".Quote:
Originally Posted by Felis
Well, it's not so much a problem for Legacy players such as ourselves, with large gil reserves and Dark Matter stacks to fall back on; but I can see this being a great issue for people on new servers. -
09-03-2013, 08:28 PMtuseroni
i agree with this. i have every DoH leveled so i can repair my own stuff and i have my DoL leveled to support those DoH, but i can't collect dark matter i have to buy it...if i have to buy dark mater why the frick would anyone repair anyones stuff? not just me repairing my stuff why would i repair someone else's stuff? if it costs more to do repairs than to just have an NPC repair the item, why wouldn't you just go to an NPC?
making dark mater not gettable makes self repair useless. -
09-03-2013, 09:42 PMCatharsis
Thank you for the support, I understand that many people will be too distracted (and perhaps new players don't know what Dark Matter does) to understand the importance of the issue - It seems the Japanese Harvesting forums have a thread about the topic located here., but the English forums don't appear to acknowledge the issue of Dark Matter availability at all (I think it has serious ramifications).
I would really be glad if other people would also voice their opinions on repair costs and Dark Matter. I don't even mind if you have a dissenting opinion, because I think the issue is important and worth discussing candidly.
Could anyone tell me what the situation is like on a non-Legacy server? (Repair bills and end-game finances and such) -
09-03-2013, 09:49 PMQuesse
I agree.
Dark Matter should still come from Gathering points.
Repairing a set of gear costing 4200gil is also a big issue. That would have been 42,000 gil in 1.0 money - a ridiculous sum.
The economy is pretty screwed up as it is anyway - I just sold a stack of cotton yarn for 10,000 gil. That would be 100,000gil in 1.0 Can you even imagine!!! 100k gil for a stack of cotton yarn??? Just one example of 100's. Some of this will be fixed with time but SE really gotta do something about repair costs. -
09-03-2013, 09:54 PMSir_Rexus
So far I havent had to really repair much, most of my gear gets full spirit bond before its even close to breaking so then it gets converted and then I make some new gear. But higher level when you have AF or a certain set of dungeon gear that you wont turn into materia then I can see this being an issue. Hopefully it will get added back in the gathering jobs.
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09-03-2013, 09:56 PMGriffster
I concur, we should have the ability to gather Dark Matter. Without this ability, repairs become another gil sink. Player repairs was a great ability in 1.0, it allowed us to stand and seek repairs and quite often they were performed in a few moments.
This is not game breaking but, lowers the enjoyment and reduces keeping gear in top shape. Now I will wait until gear is almost at zero before repairing. -
09-03-2013, 10:02 PMCatharsis
@Sir Rexus: Frankly speaking, repair costs will not affect you much until you hit level 50. This is more of a late-game concern, so I'm not too surprised if it hasn't started to affect you, since you will probably be replacing your gear faster than you need to repair it. I'm not dismissing your opinion, by the way (I think level is an important consideration), and I'd love to hear from you again once you hit 50 and start doing dungeon runs!
@Griffster: I actually had problems with some people who would join Amdapor with their gear at 50% or 25% durability, and after a few learning-wipes, they'd have everything broken and be unable to repair it since we can't change jobs in the dungeon! That's one of the bad side-effects to waiting to repair gear, but the current game system encourages it! (I'm not accusing you of anything though, I'm pretty sure you'd repair your gear before you did a dungeon) -
09-03-2013, 10:24 PMVaer
Indeed it should. Put Grade 5 on unspoiled points if you want.
That said, always carry an extra comparable weapon to your main weapon on you for dungeons. -
09-03-2013, 10:41 PMRiv
Yeah I don't get why they removed the ability to gather Dark Matter. It seems to completely defeat the purpose of using it in the first place. Although now that u can't change mid dungeon to repair anything, it has less use to begin with but still.
Also, I've noticed some other help text that is now incorrect lol. -
09-03-2013, 10:43 PMJinko
Repairs are dirt cheap now, I don't even see a need for player repairs any more, just remove it.
It would be nice if there was a Repair NPC at the start of ever dungeon as well, way too often do I remember to repair for a dungeon and once you are inside its too late, no longer can we switch to a crafting class to repair and its not like we can leave the instance to get a repair because we will be kicked from the party. -
09-03-2013, 10:44 PMZezlar
Since people are up to the hard mode primals on Excalibur, we already have DM 5 at about 99 Gil per, and dropping.
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09-03-2013, 10:57 PMAnakhu
oh wow, it isn't harvestable anywhere at all?? LAME!! No way I would pay 2k seals for 5 of them lol, like never.. and 350 gil a piece for 10 pieces wth.
I'm glad I got a full stack of 1-4 and 3 stacks of grade 5 carried over -
09-03-2013, 11:02 PMAnakhudirt cheap?? what are you repairing lvl 10?? excluding carried over gil , it would be hella expensive. one of my sets is like 4800 to repair, that's 48,000 1.0 gil. sub 45 gear looks cheap when repairing but as you get to the better stuff you see how rediculous it really is , I thought it was a way to get players to work together more in repairing stuff.. but after seeing the pain some have for DM maybe not lol. with way gil is now, imo a full set of good gear should be no more than 2k to repair, and that's for some of the bestQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinko
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09-03-2013, 11:05 PMCatharsisWell, this is more a long-term problem. The largest influx of cash at the moment is from people doing the main quest, and the largest outflow is from the constant need for repairs - as a result, the state of affairs at 50 isn't really sustainable in the long-run, and I'd like to think it's especially unbecoming to new players who can't really afford the repairs, nor want to grind gil just to play battle content with friends. Hence, why I'd like to get the opinions of non-Legacy players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinko
@Zezlar: I think the player price of Dark Matter 5 is misleading on Legacy servers because most people (myself included) are sitting on huge stacks of 99 Dark matters from 1.0. I'd like to know if the Active Help needs to be amended or if the field-acquisition Dark Matter was intended to be implemented, but never made it into release (or if they plan to add it in the future). -
09-03-2013, 11:19 PMRivWell now that you mention seals, it kind of makes sense to just buy DM with seals and not as big of a deal that they can't be gathered. IMO, seals are extremely easy to get since they come from every FATE, GC Leves, GC hunting log (I think?) and trading in crap dungeon gear (at least at higher lvls?).Quote:
Originally Posted by Anakhu
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09-03-2013, 11:28 PMDarrgo
they should also do shards as random drops by killing mobs/gathering like in 1.0
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09-03-2013, 11:43 PMCatharsisSee, that would work if it wasn't 2.1k seals for just 5 measly pieces of dark matter. That's 4.2k seals for a full repair, and rather a lot of FATEs, you know? Even doing my entire daily provisioning duties doesn't give that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riv
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09-04-2013, 01:12 AMVaer
Looking at it a bit closer,
ilvl70 weapon (Morbid Mogblade) Right now it's at 68% and costs 160 gil to repair from vendor.
160gil / 32 = 5gil
5 x 100 = 500gil
Assuming every 1% is a static fee, it's roughly 5 gil per 1% or 500 gil to repair it completely from broken assuming that each 1% is 5 gil all the way down to 0 and it doesn't increase and there isn't a penalty if it's completely broken.
With DM5 at 350gil at NPC, it's still cheaper (around 30% cheaper to repair with DM) and will probably get cheaper if you can get it for a discount from players. Looked at an iLvl52 shield and it's roughly the same 5 gil per 1%. -
09-04-2013, 02:08 AMOrophinIt was 5000 gil per piece of level 50 gear in 1.0, so it's really not much different doing a repair all. Even now at least it scales based on the percentage of durability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quesse
As far as DM goes, I don't care one way or the other. Right now crafters have the option of buying the DM to repair their own gear or using a repair vendor. I don't know if it needs to be more involved than that. There was obviously a reason why SE removed DM from gathering points. -
09-04-2013, 02:42 AMCatharsisExcept as I said, it's not pragmatic nor practical to enter a dungeon with your weapon or gear at 33% or under, since you can't exactly switch jobs and repair it on the fly (like you could before). This isn't so much an issue for trials, at least. This means that you'll sometimes likely repair damage which is under 350 gil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaer
More importantly @Orohin: seeing as the Active Help says that you can get dark matter from field activities and this isn't the case, there might not actually be a reason and this might be an oversight either with the Active Help or with the database devs, who may have forgotten to add it to the harvesting list (they might have confused it with Carbonized Matter, which is different). It's entirely possible, isn't it? Oversights do happen. Some confirmation on whether it was intentional or not would be appreciated. -
09-04-2013, 06:14 AMVaerA part of me thinks they would have listed it under known issues, but it has a specific line in the update notes that says it was removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catharsis
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09-04-2013, 06:33 AMJinkoI gather and craft to make my money, have no issues paying for my repairs, you can too!! :OQuote:
Originally Posted by Anakhu