YOU JUST GOT A NEW CAR!

So, how pissed off would you be if you paid money for a new car and couldn't use it all but 20-30 minutes a day at most? Do you think people would jump to the manufacturer's defense? I'm sure fan boys would try defend such absurd practices, but everyone else would be outraged. Trying to find fun things to compare Squeenix's complete lack of planning, care for the consumer and ability to react to other products and industries...

You're comparing an almost necessity for everyday life to an interest-focused activity? Okay.

No he's comparing the usability of something (perhaps lacked other examples) to something he has actually paid for and cannot use. Cars are not a necessity.

I'd just buy a Japanese car. They seem to work fine.

I be driving making all the boys mad.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Garrison

I'd just buy a Japanese car. They seem to work fine.

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I see what you did there, :).

Unless Square-Enix somehow manufactures one. It will some how manage to work maybe less than 5% of the first week and a half you own it. Much like an old dog that needs put down, it just shits all over itself and is sad and pathetic to watch when it tries to remedy the situation by trying to look sad and whimper over their mess.

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Originally Posted by FatedBattle

You're comparing an almost necessity for everyday life to an interest-focused activity? Okay.

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"An almost necessity"? What does that mean? In large urban areas, a car is an expensive hassle, not a convenience, and definitely not a necessary part of life.

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Originally Posted by Discordia

"An almost necessity"? What does that mean? In large urban areas, a car is an expensive hassle, not a convenience, and definitely not a necessary part of life.

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You just answered your own question? lel

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Originally Posted by brigannd

So, how pissed off would you be if you paid money for a new car and couldn't use it all but 20-30 minutes a day at most? Do you think people would jump to the manufacturer's defense? I'm sure fan boys would try defend such absurd practices, but everyone else would be outraged. Trying to find fun things to compare Squeenix's complete lack of planning, care for the consumer and ability to react to other products and industries...

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Yes but there is a big difference between a $30 game and a few thousand dollar car.

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Originally Posted by brigannd

So, how pissed off would you be if you paid money for a new car and couldn't use it all but 20-30 minutes a day at most? Do you think people would jump to the manufacturer's defense? I'm sure fan boys would try defend such absurd practices, but everyone else would be outraged. Trying to find fun things to compare Squeenix's complete lack of planning, care for the consumer and ability to react to other products and industries...

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Well thats simple....... the following day when i was only able to use it for 20-30 minutes.. I would.......... RETURN......... IT.

You know, like a sensible consumer does when they are unhappy with a product.

He is making a comparison ffs. WHAT IF YOU GUYS BOUGHT A MEAL AT A RESTAURANT THAT COST 30 BUX BUT THEY WERE LIKE, "Lol, you can look at it every 30 minutes, then we bring it back to the kitchen, come back tomorrow to try and get it again." Would THAT shit fly? Naaaaaah

Why do americans always trot out this argument when something doesn't work to their satisfaction?

"If this were a car, you'd never stand for...." etc...

Good lord, for a start, it's not an apt comparison, and there is a near infinite number of ways in which this kind of argument fails, so please let's stop.

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Originally Posted by Eibon

He is making a comparison ffs. WHAT IF YOU GUYS BOUGHT A MEAL AT A RESTAURANT THAT COST 30 BUX BUT THEY WERE LIKE, "Lol, you can look at it every 30 minutes, then we bring it back to the kitchen, come back tomorrow to try and get it again." Would THAT shit fly? Naaaaaah

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You are absolutely right!!!! It would not fly........ So when they bring the bill, after I have yet to enjoy my meal, I would not pay.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Why do americans always trot out this argument when something doesn't work to their satisfaction?

"If this were a car, you'd never stand for...." etc...

Good lord, for a start, it's not an apt comparison, and there is a near infinite number of ways in which this kind of argument fails, so please let's stop.

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We learned it from the Brits.

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Originally Posted by Zeila

We learned it from the Brits.

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Hardly, the UK was not a 'car' nation until the mid-late 1980's. This car mentality is something of a uniquely American export.

So it's okay that you give someone money just to be fucked? That's a great mentality! "Have patience with Squeenix! Yoshida cried because you guys were mean!" NO, FUCK THAT! Some of us have paid well over $100 for this fucking game. The original was shit, I wasted $75 on that. Figured it would get better, it didn't. STILL, through lack of better judgement, held out. It didn't get better. They took a few monthly payments then realized their game was shit and rebooted it. Flash forward, they seem to have fixed the product but not the service. They were given a second chance to make things right and they decided to cum right in everyone's eyes while giving them the most painful anal ever. Fuck you Squeenix, I hope Yoshida and the execs hang themselves.

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Originally Posted by Raiz_Cineris

You are absolutely right!!!! It would not fly........ So when they bring the bill, after I have yet to enjoy my meal, I would not pay.

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oh, no. The situation is you paid for the meal already. Thought that was a given.

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Originally Posted by brigannd

So it's okay that you give someone money just to be fucked? That's a great mentality! "Have patience with Squeenix! Yoshida cried because you guys were mean!" NO, FUCK THAT! Some of us have paid well over $100 for this fucking game. The original was shit, I wasted $75 on that. Figured it would get better, it didn't. STILL, through lack of better judgement, held out. It didn't get better. They took a few monthly payments then realized their game was shit and rebooted it. Flash forward, they seem to have fixed the product but not the service. They were given a second chance to make things right and they decided to cum right in everyone's eyes while giving them the most painful anal ever. Fuck you Squeenix, I hope Yoshida and the execs hang themselves.

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this guy just owned the thread.

Enough with the "you americans" bull shit. If you cant see that this is bull shit you either work for Squeenix or are just an incompetent idiot.

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Originally Posted by brigannd

So it's okay that you give someone money just to be fucked? That's a great mentality! "Have patience with Squeenix! Yoshida cried because you guys were mean!" NO, FUCK THAT! Some of us have paid well over $100 for this fucking game. The original was shit, I wasted $75 on that. Figured it would get better, it didn't. STILL, through lack of better judgement, held out. It didn't get better. They took a few monthly payments then realized their game was shit and rebooted it. Flash forward, they seem to have fixed the product but not the service. They were given a second chance to make things right and they decided to cum right in everyone's eyes while giving them the most painful anal ever. Fuck you Squeenix, I hope Yoshida and the execs hang themselves.

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And why didnt you return the game after day 2 of being unable to log in? Sounds to me like you just like to complain about your purchases but have no sensible idea about how purchasing goes as a consumer.

Yeah, you try to return an MMO to Amazon. You fucking tool, it doesn't work like that. Square Enix won't give you money back for the months of paid service.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Hardly, the UK was not a 'car' nation until the mid-late 1980's. This car mentality is something of a uniquely American export.

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Oh ok, then your post WAS just indented to throw hate towards American's. I get it! Clever.

Not even remotely close in comparison, if you think it is in any way you have serious issues.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Hardly, the UK was not a 'car' nation until the mid-late 1980's. This car mentality is something of a uniquely American export.

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Clearly you've never driven a Reliant Robin or Morris Marina.......or watched any F1 races....or Top Gear....or 5th Gear. Yobbo...

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Originally Posted by brigannd

Yeah, you try to return an MMO to Amazon. You fucking tool, it doesn't work like that. Square Enix won't give you money back for the months of paid service.

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Lol its highly unlikely you have actually paid for the subscription of this game.. Nice try though. As for your amazon purchase hehe, well id venture to say thats your problem for making a purchase online without reading their return policy.. haha

here is a better analogy.

A car company says a car will come out on aug 27th 2013, you buy the car on aug27th 2013. But are unable to drive it, it has no features, nothing except for short intro movie showing you how cool the car is. You complain to the company and they say "ohhh it will be fixed in two weeks"

the car company continues to advertise their car despite the problems. As P. T. Barnum once stated "A sucker is born every minute"

Don't have a car, got 2 legs that function fine.

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Originally Posted by Zeila

Oh ok, then your post WAS just indented to throw hate towards American's. I get it! Clever.

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No, my post is based on 2 decades of debating things on the Internet and noting that American posters almost always resort to the car to explain some analogy as to why they think things should be different because somehow they would be with a car. To be fair, I live in the US, have spent most of my life in the US and love the country, so, I'm not exactly your proto-typical anti-American poster.

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here is a better analogy.

A car company says a car will come out on aug 27th 2013, you buy the car on aug27th 2013. But are unable to drive it, it has no features, nothing except for short intro movie showing you how cool the car is. You complain to the company and they say "ohhh it will be fixed in two weeks"

the car company continues to advertise their car despite the problems. As P. T. Barnum once stated "A sucker is born every minute"

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Day 2 of your buyers remorse policy still works the day after your purchase. You chose to trust them and wait for 2 weeks.. Your fault, not theirs

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Clearly you've never driven a Reliant Robin or Morris Marina.......or watched any F1 races....or Top Gear....or 5th Gear. Yobbo...

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Clarkson and crew are always on, and I remember Top Gear when it was 35 minutes long and on BBC2 on Tuesdays and actyually reviewed cars that you or I could afford, yes, BC - Before Clarkson.

Never had a Robin myself, but My father drove a Marina for two years before it's engine died and we replaced it with a Renault 19.

BTW, calling people yobbo....such a chav thing to do.

hey i live in texas and cars here are a necessity... everything is 2 far and we have literally no public transportation, although the city has been trying to implement some (im talking about the suburbs, not the city)

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Clarkson and crew are always on, and I remember Top Gear when it was 35 minutes long and on BBC2 on Tuesdays and actyually reviewed cars that you or I could afford, yes, BC - Before Clarkson.

Never had a Robin myself, but My father drove a Marina for two years before it's engine died and we replaced it with a Renault 19.

BTW, calling people yobbo....such a chav thing to do.

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TA for negating the premise of your entire argument. ;) Britain is as much a car country as the U.S., even more so when you factor in Jaguar, Mini, Range Rover, Bentley, Caterham, Ariel, Aston Martin, Lotus, McLaren, TVR, Vauxhall, Rolls-Royce....and those are just the ones I can name off the top. Disparaging America is the trendy thing to do, especially for those with naivety enough to think the UK is any different.

Look, I'm not sure how we got off track talking about cars and eating out (no pun intended), but the fact of the matter remains, SE screwed up here plain and simple. I give them credit where credit is due in that they made a great game this time, and that in itself is mostly where the frustration lies. Having been heavily involved with the beta testing and totally psyched when the game launched, it's been completely disappointing to be locked out almost every time I try to play. I, like most others have a well advanced character that was previously created on one world that is now so over populated and plagued with AFK hogs, I can never get on. So, SE says "it's ok, we'll be making new worlds to join soon." So how exactly does this help me? Am I supposed to cut my losses and start all over? I already invested countless hours into my current game. I want to be able to play that one, not a new one on a different world. This is a problem that could've been easily avoided by setting limits and restrictions right from the start. They could've allowed each player one character per world and once the total player limit was reached, cut everything off. But instead they let people spam the hell out of each world and over populate them, them set restrictions, screwing the rest of us with leveled characters already. Like I've said before, when you launch a game, and put how many copies out their on the market, you'd better be prepared for most of those copies to be be played and supported by your servers. ESO is completely open world and far more in depth graphics wise and they are load testing the heck out of the services to make sure they aren't plagued by the same stuff we are now from SE's live release. It's just bad management, plain and simple and anyone who defends them is ignorant.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Hardly, the UK was not a 'car' nation until the mid-late 1980's. This car mentality is something of a uniquely American export.

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Actually I'm British and this was the first analogy I came to. Troll elsewhere if you can't keep up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms0NawosQFs

How I would return that car to the shop.

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Originally Posted by Kikia_Laloo

Yes but there is a big difference between a $30 game and a few thousand dollar car.

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Its a strategy to call for people's attention on the matter, by exaggerating he/she makes us at the post. His/her point is still very valid though, if you pay for something you should be able to use it and no one should stand for those selling a flawed product.

this analogy is so bad, tired, played out, pathetic, and no where even close to relevant

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Why do americans always trot out this argument when something doesn't work to their satisfaction?

"If this were a car, you'd never stand for...." etc...

Good lord, for a start, it's not an apt comparison, and there is a near infinite number of ways in which this kind of argument fails, so please let's stop.

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If you would learn how to read properly, then you would understand that they are not comparing the cost of a vehicle to the cost of the game, nor whether or not its a "necessity".

The fact of the matter, is that if you pay for something, you should be able to make use of it, when you feel like it. Now, if we wanted to take their comparison a bit further, sure, vehicles need to be maintenanced, as servers do, and you cannot use them in that period of time. Which may end up being a day, maybe two at most. However, when you buy something, you expect it to work. It isnt about "working to satisfaction". The fact of it is, the game isn't working AT ALL for many of the customers who bought it.

It's also not as simple as, "RETURN IT". Have any of you idiots that buy PC version games from a store ever tried returning them? Best Buy, Wal-Mart, EB Games, Gamestop....none of those retailers will take them back. They are going to tell you to contact the company.

So, say you do that, and they will tell you "We are working on a fix".

Say they do give you the money back, it'll take em a week just to do that in itself. So no, it isn't as easy as "RETURN IT".

Fact is, they should have known this was coming. They (Squeenix) had a very good idea of how many players they would have, just by the pre-purchase/registration alone. Not to mention, that the team whom rebuilt this game made FF11. So they are versed in this field. It is not their first MMO. The only credit I will give them, is that they pulled the original release back, and shut it down, because it sucked ass. I've only been able to play ARR for a couple hours, but it was long enough to know they made changes for the better. But no, they don't get credit for not fixing a problem they knew they would face.

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Originally Posted by Discordia

"An almost necessity"? What does that mean? In large urban areas, a car is an expensive hassle, not a convenience, and definitely not a necessary part of life.

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And in the other 82.5% of the country(s), we use a car every day. Otherwise, we can't get to work, school, groceries, etc.

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Originally Posted by brigannd

So, how pissed off would you be if you paid money for a new car and couldn't use it all but 20-30 minutes a day at most? Do you think people would jump to the manufacturer's defense? I'm sure fan boys would try defend such absurd practices, but everyone else would be outraged. Trying to find fun things to compare Squeenix's complete lack of planning, care for the consumer and ability to react to other products and industries...

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Try something better, cause poor people are just gonna tell you what they do. Walk or bike instead, or in this case try repeatedly until you get in or wait until it's fixed. Try an analogy that doesn't have a loophole :D