So, my husband just unlocked Scholar and he decided to help me level up my Gladiator...which is only 21. We were doing Copperbell Mines, and the fairy kept stealing hate. We tried Halatali after, and it seemed to get worse. When we got to Thunderclap, when he comes back from the middle of the water he went straight to the fairy and it was very hard to get him back.
Is it because I'm so low? I've never had any issues with threat before. It just seems like during a fight no matter what I do...if I tab through the mobs to check everyone's threat, my husband's is always unusually high. He says it isn't a big deal, but something is wrong and I just don't like it lol, any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Scholar fairies keep stealing hate
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09-02-2013, 05:52 AMRydiahScholar fairies keep stealing hate
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09-02-2013, 08:16 AMMaku
Unfortunately, I must say that you simply have a little more to learn and maybe be a bit faster as a tank. I have been playing SCH for all the dungeons past Copperbell and the difference between a good tank and a bad tank has been keeping hate from my fairy. It is very possible both MRD/WAR and GLD/PLD can accomplish it if they know what they are doing.
Please do not think I am saying you are bad but it can be done so just keep practicing and make sure you are using the proper combos that generate enmity and using flash when fighting multipule enemies even if you have someone sleeping them. You need to take hate while they are asleep or they will rape my little Eos and she takes a heck of a time to summon. ^_^ -
09-02-2013, 10:27 AMRydiah
Unfortunately, I'm doing all I can. I know my combos and if I flashed anymore I'd be completely oom. I can only do so much...so fast. I have had no problems with threat...really ever...until I started doing dungeons with my husband. I'm going to assume it will get better when I get Rage of Halone, or if there's a way to keep fairies from spamming so much or something.
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09-03-2013, 01:24 AMKrsnik
It definitely gets better with Rage of Halone, and even better with Shield Oath.
However, I think I may know why you are having issues with Thunderclap. Basically once he electrifies the water, the tank has no way of generating aggro, because he's simply out of range, however, the Faerie continues to gain aggro because of healing. Thus when you clear out the Thunder sprites, Faerie generated enough aggro to reach the top of the aggro list.
I noticed that you said you are level 21. I may suggest that you wait until level 22 when you have access to Provoke, which may alleviate some of the aggro issues. Provoke is EXTREMELY useful in these types of situations, and is only effective and should be used when aggro is stolen from you.
It could be the Faerie overhealing, but I'm not in a position to say since I have no experience with Scholar, nor have I had an issue with a Faerie getting aggro from me.
EDIT: I noticed you are on Hyperion. If it's still an issue, /tell in-game and I can try provide further assistance. -
09-03-2013, 01:48 AMMinibiskit
The faerie doesn't start healing until someone in the party drops below ~70%. If the faerie is spam-healing you to keep you topped off, its because the SCH is spam-clicking the faerie's heal to keep healing you. If you want to share the threat better between the SCH and faerie, tell the SCH to alternate casts of faerie Embrace and the SCH Physick.
Personally, I don't start healing my tanks until they drop below 70%. Once my faerie starts healing the tank, I also jump in with a Physick. -
09-03-2013, 04:11 AMRydiah
You're absolutely right, Krsnik. I figured that's why it was so hard to get Thunderclap back, when I would go through Halatali on my CNJ it was pretty normal for him to go straight to me. I was just curious if it gets better when you get more abilities...I feel kind of limited right now, thanks so much for the advice :)
Really, that run just wasn't very good. I had a PUG who got hit by every aoe in there...leading to more heals...and it was also my husband's first dungeon as a SCH. So we'll just try again! -
09-03-2013, 06:11 AMMarxamIn terms of hate stealing I'd say ARC pets are the worst but they only take it for a bit before I spam OP and Flash to get it back. If you are having trouble keeping emnity try using provoke. I believe it unlocks at lvl 22 GLD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rydiah
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09-03-2013, 06:15 AMViridianaARC doesn't have any pets. >_>Quote:
Originally Posted by Marxam
But, yeah, what everyone else said. It's a combination of the fairy's healing/over healing and your not having Provoke or Rage of Halone yet. -
09-03-2013, 06:32 AMMarxamSorry I meant Arcanists forgot what the abbreviation for it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viridiana
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09-03-2013, 07:35 AMWingsofWar
Flash is likely to not do anything for you in this case...
You should monitor the threat meter to see whats going on with your tank once SCH fairies start to heal you. If you find yourself having trouble with keeping threat, take a look at your gear's level to see if its updated to your level. I understood as; Weapon Damage + STR + Determination is how your base enmity value is generated and then you add multipliers through Savage Blade, Halon, Shield Lob, ect..
you can even spam just [Fast blade>Savage blade] combo to build a good aggro table as long as your gear supports it. -
09-03-2013, 08:44 AMMaku
THERE IS A BUG. After paying more attention to what was going on after seeing your post I have found a bug. Many, MANY times when the tank runs into an enemy group all but the initial target go straight for my fairy even if she is on Standby mode and has not done ANYTHING other than being adorable. For some odd reason the Fairies have immediate hate. This has cause some issues with positioning at the start of battles and might be causing some of your issues.