Ishgard coming after the battle changes

In the Japanese (linky) forum a rep responded that the implementation of ishgard doesn't have a final timeframe, but will be implemented after the battle changes.

Just a heads up, since many are waiting quite anxiously to pass that gate :D

They alway talk

this coming

that coming


CHANGE

When?

Well I imagine it would open at some point after the battle changes. I mean it'd be hard for them to implement it before them lol. Just don't get yourself too excited, it's probably not going to immediately follow it.

Is Ishgard even a friendly city?

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Is Ishgard even a friendly city?

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It is, it's one of the city states of eorzea like the other three.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

They alway talk

this coming

that coming


CHANGE

When?

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You always demand

When?

When?

This is an overwhelmingly silly demand. Game development is not an exact science, and no game developer that works with any decent professionality gives timeframes or dates for the release of patches before everything is finalyzed, because testing times cannot be properly estimated.

Otherwise you end up doing like Creative Assembly with Shogun 2. They released their game without a publicized feature (Dx 10+ and antialiasing) without even warning their customer. And after release they promised that it'd come in a patch in "2-4 weeks". Then the 4 weeks passed, and they had to announce it would be delayed a further month, causing justified rage aplenty.

In game development you don't make promises you're not sure you can keep. That's a golden rule.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

They alway talk

this coming

that coming


CHANGE

When?

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When it's ready. That's when. Would you rather them rush it out the door like they did the launch?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

When it's ready. That's when. Would you rather them rush it out the door like they did the launch?

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You say that as if we're being unduly impatient.

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Originally Posted by Sinzfeldt

You say that as if we're being unduly impatient.

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And he would be right.

When it comes it comes who really cares Ishgard is not the be all to end all in the game

But the question is: do they mean "after all the battle changes are done" or "after the first part of the battle changes is done"?

'Cause there's probably a 2-3 month timeframe between those two.

It's almost 4 months since the new team took control

any major issue get fix? no?


even a small issue like this:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...r-a-disconnect

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Originally Posted by Abriael

And he would be right.

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Incorrect.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

It's almost 4 months since the new team took control

any major issue get fix? no?

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This intrigues me.

What do you consider an acceptable timeframe to fix a major issue? Especially for a team that had to re-establish itself and the development priorities and processes, and had to deal with a major earthquake amidst everything else. Not to mention a team that is working on not one, not two, but 4+ major issues at once.

So, how fast do you, informed and intelligent individual on the topic of game development, think they should fix said major issues when all this is taken into account?

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

This intrigues me.

What do you consider an acceptable timeframe to fix a major issue? Especially for a team that had to re-establish itself and the development priorities and processes, and had to deal with a major earthquake amidst everything else. Not to mention a team that is working on not one, not two, but 4+ major issues at once.

So, how fast do you, informed and intelligent individual on the topic of game development, think they should fix said major issues when all this is taken into account?

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September 2010, ohwait.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

This intrigues me.

What do you consider an acceptable timeframe to fix a major issue? Especially for a team that had to re-establish itself and the development priorities and processes, and had to deal with a major earthquake amidst everything else. Not to mention a team that is working on not one, not two, but 4+ major issues at once.

So, how fast do you, informed and intelligent individual on the topic of game development, think they should fix said major issues when all this is taken into account?

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at least they should rebalance the skills

they can do it in few weeks, like when they adjusted the Shell/Protect/Punishing Barbs

it's not a hard task, not like you have to rebuild everything from zero, it's just an adjustment task

why they need a year to fix AM's ?

stop repeating this sentence: "programming is not easy like you thought"

if you need a year to do this, you're suck as a programmer and should resign immediately

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Originally Posted by Evangela

at least they should rebalance the skills

they can do it in few weeks, like when they adjusted the Shell/Protect/Punishing Barbs

it's not a hard task, not like you have to rebuild everything from zero, it's just an adjustment task

why they need a year to fix AM's ?

stop repeating this sentence: "programming is not easy like you thought"

if you need a year to do this, you're suck as a programmer and should resign immediately

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My guess is that all of that will be addressed in the battle patch.

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Originally Posted by Xeno

My guess is that all of that will be addressed in the battle patch.

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and that's what I ask "when?"

am I have the right to ask? since they keep talk talk talk talking about it for months but still do nothing

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Originally Posted by Evangela

at least they should rebalance the skills

they can do it in few weeks, like when they adjusted the Shell/Protect/Punishing Barbs

it's not a hard task, not like you have to rebuild everything from zero, it's just an adjustment task

why they need a year to fix AM's ?

stop repeating this sentence: "programming is not easy like you thought"

if you need a year to do this, you're suck as a programmer and should resign immediately

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Do you have a degree is game development no? well im earning mine and i can say this its fucking hard so shut the fuck up. and wait or gtfo.. im so sick of seeing you troll around bitching and moaning like a fucking democrat.

I'm still doubting we will see Ishguard until at least the PS3 launch, they need to treat it like an expansion to get any traction with the gaming media to give the game a second shot at reviews and publicity after it's initial "mistep"

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Originally Posted by elkhorn

Do you have a degree is game development no? well im earning mine and i can say this its fucking hard so shut the fuck up. and wait or gtfo..

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If you think it's hard, that's why you're earning it not earned it yet

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Originally Posted by Evangela

If you think it's hard, that's why you're earning it not earned it yet

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Great can't wait to see how your version of XIV turns out, feel free to email me a copy of it when your down ok?

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Great can't wait to see how your version of XIV turns out, feel free to email me a copy of it when your down ok?

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give me a source code :D

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Originally Posted by Evangela

and that's what I ask "when?"

am I have the right to ask? since they keep talk talk talk talking about it for months but still do nothing

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I think 1.18 is the battle patch, think it's been mentioned before...

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Originally Posted by Evangela

at least they should rebalance the skills

they can do it in few weeks, like when they adjusted the Shell/Protect/Punishing Barbs

it's not a hard task, not like you have to rebuild everything from zero, it's just an adjustment task

why they need a year to fix AM's ?

stop repeating this sentence: "programming is not easy like you thought"

if you need a year to do this, you're suck as a programmer and should resign immediately

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They already said that they are working on combat changes, small or large, together and not individually because that is the most efficient approach. They may be able to do it in few weeks, but it is more efficient to work on everything combat-related at once and prepare them in a parallel than fix things individually. It's not about whether the programming is easy or hard, but what allows them to fix the game in the smallest timeframe possible.

Again, how much time should they have to fix these major issues?

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and that's what I ask "when?"

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First part of the overhaul comes during the Spring. It has been stated since months ago (before the earthquake, but that shouldn't affect it too much). What's next?

"But what day exactly!!1"

Request to lock topic due to no information & asinine bickering without any real debate.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

give me a source code :D

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Well I don't expect to do half the work for you, I want new code because the source code apparantly sucks anyways.

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Originally Posted by elkhorn

all this Change Change Change shit that comes out of ur fucking mouth you sound like fucking Obama, heres the change the whole forum wants Shut ur mouth. we can see the tiny 3 yr old thoughs of life and difficultys lurking in that smal pubessant brain of urs

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Originally Posted by elkhorn

what u talking about he already killed the econemy 100 times more than the bush admin..... hes already fucked us while watching the ncaa

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Really? Your gonna bring politics into the game forums? Don't believe everything your told. (especially if it came from a major media network)

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Originally Posted by Evangela

and that's what I ask "when?"

am I have the right to ask? since they keep talk talk talk talking about it for months but still do nothing

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ASAP

/10char

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Originally Posted by Jynx

I'm still doubting we will see Ishguard until at least the PS3 launch, they need to treat it like an expansion to get any traction with the gaming media to give the game a second shot at reviews and publicity after it's initial "mistep"

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you are more then likely right but i assume that once the battle system has changed we will probably see the PS3 launch shortly after that. This is assuming that the battle system change is what is holding them back from implementing more substantial content.

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Originally Posted by Belial

Request to lock topic due to no information & asinine bickering without any real debate.

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The information is simple. A japanese rep told that Ishgard will be implemented after the battle changes. Like it or not (or whether it's sufficent information for your taste, which is inconsequential), it's information, and that's all there's to it.

As per the asinine bickering, those posts can be deleted, as the mods did in several other threads.

@Evangela: the fact that you continue asking "when? When? when?" is the clear indication that you know nothing about game development. As you've already been explained several times, developers with any degree of professionality don't promise timeframes before such timeframes have been finalyzed.

Hey everyone!

The reasoning behind it being planned after the battle system changes is because player’s wouldn’t be able to fully enjoy the content that will be introduced alongside Ishgard otherwise.

and when we can enjoy the new battle system?

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Hey everyone!

The reasoning behind it being planned after the battle system changes is because player’s wouldn’t be able to fully enjoy the content that will be introduced alongside Ishgard otherwise.

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Part of the problem is how vague the statement is though. Coming after the battle content could mean the day after, the week after, 3 years after. Is it coming shortly after the battle update or is there really no correlation between the 2 dates aside from that one comes (at some point) after the other?

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Originally Posted by Evangela

and when we can enjoy the new battle system?

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This question has already been answered multiple times. You may want to stop spamming it.

tell me the date, not 'as soon as possible' or 'coming up next' or 'near future'

Spring. As has been said, over... and over... and over.

Which is prior to June 21st.

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Originally Posted by Belial

Spring. As has been said, over... and over... and over.

Which is prior to June 21st.

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with that kind of answer, you can not stop me from asking

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Originally Posted by Evangela

with that kind of answer, you can not stop me from asking

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you are going to be one sad panda if you expect to get a concrete date on anything involving patches.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

with that kind of answer, you can not stop me from asking

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And that's why every post you do in this topic make people more and more angry.
Btw, the common "guess date" for 1.18 is around middle may, if that count is some way

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Originally Posted by Evangela

with that kind of answer, you can not stop me from asking

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The kind of answer that contains a deadline in the form of an actual date (June 21st)? The man (or lady) said SE had announced it as spring. Spring as you know comes before summer (I think, or that may be Sea Monster Armageddon Season.. not sure). If we get to summer and there is still nothing, come back and ask again. Until then, silence is golden.

And now for something ignorant. Stop complaining about when things are coming and go level your character some more. Cap a class or something. Try getting to the end of the line first instead of complaining there is nothing there before you've even left the house.

It's a long day, I think I'm gonna say something else that's even more ignorant. What do you care anyhow? Can't you just RP the rest of the game with your little friends in a story circle or something?