Dungeon Time Limit

I really think this aspect of the game needs to go. As it stands, people are basically punished for sticking it out in a bad group. Last night I was in a group with a very under average tank in Brayflox's Longstop. We all decided to stick it out and help the tank learn the fights and what to do and get better with every fight, but there were many wipes along the way, especially while he learned how to dodge the breath of the last boss. Finally, we were about to finish the boss, everything was looking great and the boss was a few percent from dying, when the game froze and DUTY FAILED popped up right before being ported out, essentially wasting my hour and a half in queue plus my hour and a half in the dungeon, as I still haven't completed it for the story. This serves no purpose game play wise, and I would discuss it further, but your ridiculous 1000 character limit on forum posts prevents me from doing so.

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Disagree, it encourages efficiency and good play. Brayflox is quite generous on the timer, i'm surprised you managed to use it all but you can just requeue and complete it.

Yeah I don't really understand the point of the time limit. It should also be variable, for later dungeons it should be higher at least, especially if it's the first time someone's run it (they need more time to learn the mechanics, eg).

Efficient and good gameplay should be its own reward. You shouldn't be punished for 1 bad group member. When queue's are an hour and a half, it is a big letdown. And looking at it, all dungeons are limited to 90 minutes.

I would understand timers on hard modes etc that you wouldn't be pugging, but in random dungeon finders i think it is a huge negative.

Right now it's implemented as a means to shuttle people out of instances so they don't end up taking valuable space (like the people who are currently AFK logged on and taking up space). Considering the sheer volume of people that are playing, it might be a necessity. The devs expressed interest in possibly eliminating the timer at some point as long as it doesn't screw up battle balance (which I don't think will be an issue - bosses reset when you wipe and you can't rejoin a fight if you return to the dungeon entrance).

That said the timer is extremely generous, dungeons are balanced to be completed in 30-45 minutes, and your situation was a very unique case. Props to sticking with and helping out the bad tank, but it really is your choice whether or not to put up with people like that if the win is that important to you and there is nothing wrong with you preferring a win since it's your time.

If I was in that situation I'd feel much better about having helped out a player that in the long run would have ended up hurting others' fun with their inexperience, especially as Brayflox begins the content difficulty where you really can't carry dead weight anymore.

Yeah, with queue times, it is unfortunate that dungeon timer caused you to lose. But did you know there were RPGers complaining that they couldn't sit in an instance indefinitely so they could role-play in those locations? The timer is there so you can't take up space on the instance server.

i agree with the op that happened to me yesterday we were all first timers and we wiped like 3 times before we recognize what we have to do

but the time is up so we got booted out, and unfortunately the party was cross server so we can't go in again to continue

we need time to explain for new ppl how the mechanics works and sometime ppl just got dc and etc etc

i hope they do something about it

There should be an option to keep the same group even after the time limit. It's sad to be forced to disband when we have fun in a party (yes we can have fun even when not succeding in a dungeon).

But I think that the time limits should stay.

IT is needed to maintain DPS checks. Otherwise, you could just take 12 hours to go through Coil with AF gear.

I don't think I've come close to running out of time on any dungeons yet.

The mechanics aren't too difficult. Stay out of red circles etc = win

what good is the timer if someones internet drops, what good is it if something IRL needs tending to for a moment or crap happens and needs tending to for 5+ mins, not every one is 12 and has nothing to worry about, there are people that have to make sure stuff around them is sorted, not to mention if someone leaves the party, the timer is still running, im looking at drop out tanks right off the bat, this is why other mmos dont have timers, they realise stuff happens

Time limit is the greatest thing ever, it inspires tanks to keep pulling, provides bonuses for speedy completion and makes people think twice before joining if they have to afk a lot. If it takes more than 90 minutes everyone is failing not just 1 person. So assess what you did wrong and learn from it... don't cry to developers because you lost.

Seriously though why play a game if you aren't going to play it but demand its changed so you can do it without gaining any skill or learning anything. If thats what you want go to a different game.

I think the timer should be for better loot. If you beat the bosses while the timer is going, they drop loot. If the timer expires, the chests will just drop coins.

personally I think this issue is due to the level caps for dungeons. Tanks really don't have a fair shot at the bottom range level of what is allowed in a dungeon, unless they're good. The game has a low tolerance for tanking and healing. In general the game is far more challenging than necessary, but I'm sure 60% of the players out there will disagree with me.