I feel like I'm using all my aoe threat-generative abilities but when it comes to multiple add situations I begin to lose hate on other mobs relatively fast which leads to me having to turn around and chase mobs around.
Are there any Paladin tanks out there that can give their advice in how to prevent this?
Having trouble paladin tanking multiple targets.
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09-01-2013, 01:13 AMKyahAlmasyHaving trouble paladin tanking multiple targets.
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09-01-2013, 01:16 AMGramul
Mark your targets so the DPS won't take the hate from an enemy you're not building on.
Actually, here. I did this in the 'many tanks are bad' thread.
DPS should keep their focus on the tanks marks unless otherwise necessary.
http://i1.minus.com/jMbsjlZWsiy2A.png
If targeted by an enemy, don't run away out of the tanks range.
http://i1.minus.com/jbeVru2VnLUV2h.png
It's a tanks job to keep enemies from attacking the other players.
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09-01-2013, 01:18 AMKyahAlmasyI do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramul
But some jobs have some strong aoe abilities. Like SMN, who spread dots around seem to build hate really fast. Or even healing hate will pull secondary mobs really fast. There must be something I'm missing -
09-01-2013, 01:19 AMttopOmg you rock dude!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramul
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09-01-2013, 01:21 AMCathros
I haven't gotten paladin yet but I've run into similar issues with my GLD. Flash helps but it doesn't cut it when an archer is going to town on a different mob than what you're attacking. Marking will definitely help or just telling people in the begining to please focus on your target. I have a policy of if you pull it you tank it. There are aggro meters built in to the interface and each person should be watching these, not just the tanks.
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09-01-2013, 01:21 AMVaer
lol man those drawings are epic.
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09-01-2013, 01:24 AMGramulIt's just as much their responsibility to use skills effectively as it is yours. That's what the meters next to your names are for. If they're spamming enmity building techniques while you're trying to sustain hate, they're not paying attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by KyahAlmasy
If you're having to chase mobs, that means the people in question are kiting it away or just already too far for your techniques to pull back. They need to stay still and close so you can flash them back. It's a group effort.
Also what the people below me say. They've clearly had more practice than I. -
09-01-2013, 01:26 AMVaer
Don't know what level you are, but you can distribute your enmity combo on multiple mobs by tabbing or through quick target cycling. So for example let's say there are three mobs.
Mob [1], Mob [2], Mob [3]
Shield Lob primary target [1] on pull.
Fast Blade on Mob [1], Savage Blade (Enmity Bonus) on Mob [1].
Throw in a flash.
then you can tab around and see if any of the DPS are ignoring your markings. Let's say Archer is shooting [3].
You can Fast Blade [1], then Savage [3] and change targets.
This becomes easier when you get Rage of Halone because you can just Halone right afterwards.
If a mob peels, you can also Provoke and Shield Lob.
Distributed damage like Fire II and Quick Nock can be held with Flash in between enmity combos. -
09-01-2013, 01:28 AMKikInperi
Try rotating the target you're actually hitting/comboing on. Do a Fast Blade>Savage Blade on every enemy in the group, and then return to your main target.
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09-01-2013, 01:29 AMMoksThen i guess they have to use single targeted spells more often. I don't know about magic DPS but i think most of the time AOE skills are much weaker than single targeted skills.Quote:
Originally Posted by KyahAlmasy
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09-01-2013, 01:33 AMKikInperiThat's not really how smn works. They cast single target DoT, then have an ability that spreads Bio/Bio2/Miasma to all nearby targets, keeping their remaining duration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moks
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09-01-2013, 01:33 AMDreeyQuote:
Originally Posted by Gramul
Nice illustrations, should be easy enough for even theist simpleton to learn from . Should let us paste these on dungeon walls before it starts lol -
09-01-2013, 01:38 AMfallacy55
Until SE either buffs AoE threat or gives GLA/PLD more AoE tools, literally can do nothing but hope that DPS focus fires.
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09-01-2013, 01:46 AMKikInperiNo. This type of reasoning is why so many tanks suck. "Literally can do nothing," really? Give me a break.Quote:
Originally Posted by fallacy55
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09-01-2013, 01:55 AMAmilly
DPS players should focus fire to avoid getting aggro. If they are not, then that's on the bad dps players. Tanks should try to mark their targets so the dps know what to target. If dps players have difficulty with target selection, they should get used to macros. Even as a healer, I've been marking targets 1, 2, 3, and the tank will focus on 1 with the dps on it as well. I still get quite a bit of healing aggro on secondary targets, but I have a feeling that's been because the tank hasn't been using his abilities properly on multiple targets. I had one tank that basically said that he can only hold one target and that I must heal tank the others until he gets to them. Of course, I freaked out a little after dying a few times, but by the end of it, he was holding his targets like a champ. FF14 has an aggro system that requires teamwork and that's fine. Players just need to get used to this difference in gameplay from other MMOs.
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09-01-2013, 01:57 AMTutu
basically i think u just salvage blade one mob.
U should cycle through all your mobs and u will realize that it helps to gain better threat and make the game eventually more faster for AOE -
09-01-2013, 02:02 AMBlazer
I have the same issue man. I've had blms in groups that do nothing but AOE and it just makes it so difficult. I try doing my rotation shield lob[1]->flash [group]->fast [1] -> savage [2]-> RoH [3] -> flash [group]. Then I spread out some shield swipes to 2,3 and spirits within on 1.
It still doesn't seem like enough sometimes. :/ -
09-01-2013, 02:04 AMcypherx
If I'm reading this right. Cycle through mobs to build hate on each individual one if your DPS members don't follow the number markings properly. Of course I guess you can't really do the cycle thing if you have a blm sleeping the ones you aren't currently fighting. Basically easiest if your DPS cooperates. Sorry if it seems like I'm talking to myself but I am trying my hand at tanking and I want to verify all info I pick up.
In other news, that picture hate management picture is the best. -
09-01-2013, 02:12 AMZyeriisThis except you shouldn't even wait for some one else to be attacking other enemies. Pull with provoke (or shield lob), flash to make sure they stay on you for a moment, 1+2, then flash again, +3, +1 on main enemy, then +2 on another enemy, then +3 on a third enemy if there is one and then switch back to the main target. This gives you more leeway to wail on the main target and make it die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaer
If you have a thm/blm that is actually sleeping things, this shouldn't be necessary (in fact it'd be detrimental) but otherwise, flash aoe spam isn't ideal for the duration of the fight. It's really only to get the initial hate. -
09-01-2013, 02:44 AMRialleYes, if you do this you need to be careful not to break sleep. One thing I've noticed is that some summoner DOT abilities don't seem to break sleep. Meaning that they could pull aggro once the sleep wears off. Usually this is not a huge deal, but is annoying and something you may need to watch out for. If you're watching for it you can usually provoke and get it back quickly though.Quote:
Originally Posted by cypherx
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09-01-2013, 02:54 AMPaciferThis is true only if you are a fingerless blind maggot , otherwise , as someone already pointed out you can cycle thought targetQuote:
Originally Posted by KikInperi
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09-01-2013, 02:57 AMScrubbs
I do a shield lob on one or two depending on how far they are, get them all together and do a flash, then tab target doing the SB -> whatever the enmity combo thing is. I'll watch the threat meter to see which targets have the highest threat from everyone and do a full combo on it, then just tab target combo the rest of the time, while throwing in a flash every so often, but not too often so you don't get the diminishing returns of blind. Haven't had issues yet, but I also play in a group of 3-4 where if we have to pug 1 person, it's a DPS so everyone knows their role. I HAVE done pure pugs w/ 3 other new people and still haven't had issues, so I don't think we need more aggro / more skills, we just need players to increase their skill level.