Legacy players expected to wait... again.

I just read Yoshi's update on the server issues. It sounds to me that the updates to duty finder and additional worlds will only benefit new subscribers.

Those of us on Legacy servers aren't getting additional capacity or load. We aren't getting a working queue. We aren't getting the ability to make a second character. 5k cap is 5k cap, and guess what? They clumped a LOT of us onto each Legacy server...

Instead, what we are eventually getting, is an afk bot that most of us Legacy people don't even want or maybe server xfer which most of us won't use.

Why are the players who have committed the most to this game and hung in there through 1.0 getting taken care of LAST?

Because they know you'll continue paying a subscription regardless of the state of the game as you've demonstrated it once before.

because they spent all of 1.0 taking care of us, gotta do something to benefit all the people whining that they didn't get legacy.

//disclamier: Somewhat sarcastic.

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Originally Posted by Mochodan

I just read Yoshi's update on the server issues. It sounds to me that the updates to duty finder and additional worlds will only benefit new subscribers.

Those of us on Legacy servers aren't getting additional capacity or load. We aren't getting a working queue. We aren't getting the ability to make a second character. 5k cap is 5k cap, and guess what? They clumped a LOT of us onto each Legacy server...

Instead, what we are eventually getting, is an afk bot that most of us Legacy people don't even want or maybe server xfer which most of us won't use.

Why are the players who have committed the most to this game and hung in there through 1.0 getting taken care of LAST?

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I didnt read anywhere where it says Legacy players need to be last on anything.......

If I recall correctly, in their plans for new servers, they also plan to improve load balancing and the duty finder, so I'm not sure exactly what you think you're being left out of. Or is it just that you spent so long feeling so special because you're Legacy, that being treated exactly the same as everyone else is now a shock to your system ^^

I honestly don't understand the amount of butthurt over this.

I am old school, I am also on Masamune.

Guess what?

I got to play, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and today I will go home and play.

Most of the NA/EU server didn't get to play.

That being said, I feel no ill will towards SE for giving them free time either.

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Originally Posted by TrystWildkey

If I recall correctly, in their plans for new servers, they also plan to improve load balancing and the duty finder, so I'm not sure exactly what you think you're being left out of.

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If I remember correctly (what do you know? http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/73680) there isn't any indication that "load balancing" or Duty changes will have any affect on the total number of concurrent connections to a individual world. The legacy servers were over capacity before they even started limiting login!

More new worlds allows for more new players. If they choose, existing new players can roll on a new, less crowded world. Legacy players can't do jack.

If we were being treated like everyone else, then next week when all the new hardware went live the legacy servers would see an improvement. That is not implied anywhere in this announcement.

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Originally Posted by Nictuswolf

I honestly don't understand the amount of butthurt over this.

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So basically your're Legacy. You've had no trouble playing every day. You admit NA/EU Legacy have been screwed. But hey, we aren't paying for it.... Why butthurt?

If I can't login to a game, I've now bought TWICE do you really think the fact I'm not paying a sub right now matters at all? What about the time I've spent since EA clicking my 0 key all week? We have every right to be "butthurt". Without many of us this remake would have never happened...

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Originally Posted by Mochodan

If I can't login to a game, I've now bought TWICE do you really think the fact I'm not paying a sub right now matters at all? What about the time I've spent since EA clicking my 0 key all week? We have every right to be "butthurt". Without many of us this remake would have never happened...

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Unless you bought the PS3 version than you have never bought FF14 twice. I'm a Legacy member and Holder of the 1st Collection Edition. don't make us look bad. We are not entitle to anymore than what we paid for. Everything that came with legacy was at the grace of the producer. Be thankful for the things that we have that some people can never get. Besides ,you have experience the game for some time now , what about the people that haven't but want to but cant because of this situation, should they become the preemptive members and receive exclusive things just cause of this? Consider yourself lucky.

Boo hoo dude. Legacy servers are nowhere near as congested. I can log on to my legacy character at any time and experience no lag. The people who need attention right now are the people on new servers.

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Originally Posted by casker

Boo hoo dude. Legacy servers are nowhere near as congested. I can log on to my legacy character at any time and experience no lag. The people who need attention right now are the people on new servers.

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Apparently Masamune is miraculously underpopulated. If you dc or crash in excalibur you might as well give up until either very late that night or very early in the morning... and even then you might not get in.

Could be worse I could be stuck not being able to log in.

Aegis is very populated but thankfully my playtime in generally in the low zone for activity on the server, I've never had a single issue trying to log in. I'm all for SE working on server congestion issues before working on something useless like Duty finder anyways. Make a few friends on your own server and viola no more need to even worry about Duty finder ever again.

No idea what are you talking about, maybe you should go read the letter again, rather than assume things.

You are right, they are adding new servers...

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"enhancing the performance of the login and match making processes on both the Japanese and North American & European data centers." it doesn't say anywhere that this will be done only for the new servers, so why not stop with the silly rage threads, and wait until stuff is done, before complaining?

Hopefully they also allow transfers soon, so people spread out to the new worlds, and things even out a bit.

What they really need to do is add a new legacy server or two because not being able to log in and spamming the "A" button for half an hour hoping to get in the mythical queue is absolute bullshit. Add new legacy servers, allow transfers and merge later if needed... voila.

To add to that bullshit is more bullshit because friends who happen to be new and want to play with legacy friends can't create characters. I'm sorry but if they were able to estimate what was needed to host one group of players, it would be legacy because they could gather how many were going to be playing.

How...?! Wha....?! Huh...?!

Do any of you even understand all this technical stuff and how it works at least?! Because for some reason I have the impression that the OP is misunderstanding the meaning of adding new servers.

New servers /= New worlds (at least not only that)

Nowhere in Yoshi-p's letter did he say that the legacy servers were left ingored. New servers means improvement and better capacity for ALL the worlds. Obviously this will allow them to create more worlds if it allows them too. What Yoshi-p is saying that they're adding servers that will improve all the worlds, new and legacy alike. Serving to alleviate the server stress and hopefully allow more people to login on any world.

If you don't at least understand what a developper is saying/writing, then please just don't say ignorant things.

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Originally Posted by Vanidin

Apparently Masamune is miraculously underpopulated. If you dc or crash in excalibur you might as well give up until either very late that night or very early in the morning... and even then you might not get in.

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It's easy to get into JP servers during non Asia prime time, the same way I can get into pretty much every NA/EU server during non peak NA/EU times.
Try getting into masamune in 3~4 hours, it will be nigh impossible.

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Originally Posted by Inq

Because they know you'll continue paying a subscription regardless of the state of the game as you've demonstrated it once before.

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Mwahahha, I laughed at this :D
I am Legacy and one of the fools how paid for the whole 1.0 subs time.

I dunno where all these issues are, I hear about them but I never seem to experience them myself, I guess I am just super lucky.
I have been able to play with little to no problems since the start of early access... :0

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Originally Posted by Mamba

Mwahahha, I laughed at this :D
I am Legacy and one of the fools how paid for the whole 1.0 subs time.

I dunno where all these issues are, I hear about them but I never seem to experience them myself, I guess I am just super lucky.
I have been able to play with little to no problems since the start of early access... :0

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LIES!! :P

Even Miqotes can't be that lucky :)

It still kills me that people that have no clue how expensive the hardware behind the game costs say "just buy new servers and shut them down when not needed". Something to handle this kind of concurrent database transactions runs no less than $30,000 US. That's just the server, not any backplanes, racks, power strips, switches, nics etc.. All that and you're running at MINIMUM $50k a pop for a new "world". In the long run if they were 300% sure those servers would be needed and justified there would be no issues just standing up another 80 worlds and waiting to regain the costs. However with any service that is completely dependent on subscription it will wax and wain and eventually dwindle into nothing.

Tell you what if you're willing to foot the bill for well over the worlds average household income so you can have another server send them a check.

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Originally Posted by Seriphim85

It still kills me that people that have no clue how expensive the hardware behind the game costs say "just buy new servers and shut them down when not needed". Something to handle this kind of concurrent database transactions runs no less than $30,000 US. That's just the server, not any backplanes, racks, power strips, switches, nics etc.. All that and you're running at MINIMUM $50k a pop for a new "world". In the long run if they were 300% sure those servers would be needed and justified there would be no issues just standing up another 80 worlds and waiting to regain the costs. However with any service that is completely dependent on subscription it will wax and wain and eventually dwindle into nothing.

Tell you what if you're willing to foot the bill for well over the worlds average household income so you can have another server send them a check.

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if i get the subs paid for people on that that server it would make 50k is a drop in the bucket. if you added another 2 legacy servers they would still be at max.

Yes adding a legacy server or two... it's not as if you're suddenly going to be able to have your 1.0 character on an entirely new server. They may end up having a free server transfer period, but that isn't going to help you play your character right now.

A lot of it really does depend on if you are NA or not...

I generally log in at 6pm(ish) UK time (7pm GMT/UTC) I rarely have any queue longer than 2 or 3 mins. I almost never see 1017 anymore.
My wife logs in later at 8pm (9pm GMT/UTC) and generally has to spam the 'A' button for about 5-10 mins she gets past 1017, not a huge issue.

I have two PST friends who have given up hope of being able to log in at all and are likely not to subscribe unless it gets resolved in the next couple of days. They are both 5+ year veterans of XI.

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Originally Posted by Aegis

A lot of it really does depend on if you are NA or not...

I generally log in at 6pm(ish) UK time (7pm GMT/UTC) I rarely have any queue longer than 2 or 3 mins. I almost never see 1017 anymore.
My wife logs in later at 8pm (9pm GMT/UTC) and generally has to spam the 'A' button for about 5-10 mins she gets past 1017, not a huge issue.

I have two PST friends who have given up hope of being able to log in at all and are likely not to subscribe unless it gets resolved in the next couple of days. They are both 5+ year veterans of XI.

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i do agree with this. it does really depend on the time zone you are playing. before i go to work i can sign in without any queue ever, but in the evenings it's a disaster. i would do like others and sign in before work and play when i get in, but i don't feel that's fair to others so i won't do it. in the evenings i usually spend at least 30 min trying to get in spamming the enter screen.

I thought the notice by Yoshi did a good job of explaining exactly what they're doing.

I do hope that people here realize that a World is made up of quite a few servers. Which means that the Legacy worlds will almost certainly be getting the same upgrades all the other worlds will be getting. So keep your pants on and stop freaking out.

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Originally Posted by casker

Boo hoo dude. Legacy servers are nowhere near as congested. I can log on to my legacy character at any time and experience no lag. The people who need attention right now are the people on new servers.

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SOme how I doubt this, conciderign the last tiem you logged out.

Most legacy servrs are packed above allotment, resulting in long cues, or simply world is full try again later, for a good 6 hours.

I must be getting extremely lucky at the login screen, the longest wait I've had (on a legacy server) has been around 10 minutes, even trying to log in during peak hours.

Since many EA players recently kicked out, now I can finally able to log in. I tried 3 times in a row without any error.

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Originally Posted by Seriphim85

It still kills me that people that have no clue how expensive the hardware behind the game costs say "just buy new servers and shut them down when not needed". Something to handle this kind of concurrent database transactions runs no less than $30,000 US. That's just the server, not any backplanes, racks, power strips, switches, nics etc.. All that and you're running at MINIMUM $50k a pop for a new "world". In the long run if they were 300% sure those servers would be needed and justified there would be no issues just standing up another 80 worlds and waiting to regain the costs

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HAHAHAHA you kill me Seriphim..... I hate to tell you... but servers that can run that amount of concurrent users do not run in the $50k range... you had it right if you just stuck with the $30k range...

But... as NONE of us work for SE and are part of them buying servers we ALL can only speculate on what it is that they purchased to handle this kind of load.

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Originally Posted by Garet

LIES!! :P

Even Miqotes can't be that lucky :)

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I am :D :D

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Originally Posted by Aegis

A lot of it really does depend on if you are NA or not...

I generally log in at 6pm(ish) UK time (7pm GMT/UTC) I rarely have any queue longer than 2 or 3 mins. I almost never see 1017 anymore.

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Or maybe my luck indeed have something to do with being in GMT+1 timezone, when I log on, US is waking up to go to work and UK is just rushing to the overpacked tube :D

No. Masamune is overpopulated but it is a JP server. Meaning if you log on durin their waking hours you get the same que and errors as NA servers. If you log on during NA prime there is no que or no errors