Dungeons for NM's (A more sensible discussion)

Last night, in my frustration after having wasted two hours trying to claim Kokoroon Quickfingers for no drops, I went off and ranted in General Discussion, then went to bed.

This morning, I've got a clearer head now, and I'd like to try to have a constructive discussion about the problem that NMs seem to inherently present. They are:

• Appears to be a stop-gap measure for content.
• Has the potential to cause undue stress. (When competing against others for the claim)

There are probably more issues with the NMs, but these two are the most evident. I have a solution:

Make instanced dungeons for Notorious Monsters, in the same vein as the .hack// series. Here's how it would play out.

1. You reach either: A Ruin with an Entrance; A cave entrance; a door; or a hidden entrance somewhere. Interacting with it would put you in a dungeon instance populated with "lesser" versions of that Notorious Monster in question.
   
2. You fight your way through the dungeon. This would take on average 15 to 30 minutes for an equal-rank player to the NM's rank. You reach the end of the dungeon and find a locked treasure chest. You touch the treasure chest.
   
3. Surprise! Endboss appears, the NM himself! Dungeon Boss Battle ensues.
   
   You defeat the NM, and the treasure chest automatically unlocks. The party opens it and claims at least one unique item drop out of every 3 or so dungeon runs.

This eliminates the seemingly random crapshoot that current NMs are, and it allows casuals to budget their time more effectively. Having a big random factor in claiming NMs really hurts casual players' schedules, which is why I feel they need to be instanced, and have some "prerequisite" to unlocking said NM - hence the dungeon crawl to the end of the dungeon. Even if the casual player may have to bow out of the game session before reaching the endboss, he'll still have earned something: SP.

This is also an effective form of mid-range and high-end content for people who like to party with their friends, as opposed to soloing.

Let me hear your thoughts, please.

Also, if you know the dev-tag for dungeons, let me know, so I can add it to the thread. Thanks.

Edit: Someone mentioned this to me, you know all these random sewer/well grates you encounter across Eorzea? Those could serve as dungeon entrances, too.

Things will cool off a week or two later.
"Has the potential to cause undue stress" - That's what the 5 min re-pop rate is for no? No big deal even if you miss a pop.

I disagree with what you said. There is no reason for there not to be free reign world nms, if you hate them don't do them, that simple.

I see 4 major issues reading your post form the other threads.

1 you hate competition, as the person above me said it is new content people will leave it in a short while.

2 they spawn within 2-5mins no one can complain about it being "Hardcore" because it is not. Hardcore would be the same drop rate and 1-3hr spawns.

3 if you cannot claim you suck at claiming, get better or stop QQing. There is nothing wrong with the current system.

4 you either have never played a real mmo, or from the sounds of it you just do not like mmos. These NMS/rare mons are easier to get then NMS in any other mmo on the planet, including WoW. This NM claiming is a staple of the MMO genre.

Open world NM's result in more lively zones. They fill pointless areas and give them purpose.
It sounds like you're into the `every kid deserves a medal` mentality which I despise in an MMO.
These NM's spawn 1~5 minutes after they're killed. You'll probably have whatever drop you wanted before this thread even reaches the bottom of the page.

Just be happy you don't need Herald's Gaiters.

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I disagree with what you said. There is no reason for there not to be free reign world nms, if you hate them don't do them, that simple.

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Are you serious ?

These NM's are about the only real content we have outside of guildleves (which we have all done 100 times by now) and side quests which aren't bad but can become very boring when doing lots in a row.

I totally agree with what the OP is saying here, although I have had no problem getting to fight the NM's I wanted, I did try and help an LS member with Downy Dunstan and it was horrendous how many people were there trying to claim him, yes it will calm down in a few weeks but people want to this stuff now whilst its new and fresh.

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if you cannot claim you suck at claiming, get better or stop QQing. There is nothing wrong with the current system.

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Latency can be a huge issue for claiming these type of random encounters, it was why people used bots in FF11 after all to try and get the edge on everyone else and why other MMO's don't do world bosses anymore.

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4 you either have never played a real mmo, or from the sounds of it you just do not like mmos. These NMS/rare mons are easier to get then NMS in any other mmo on the planet, including WoW. This NM claiming is a staple of the MMO genre.

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WoW doesn't have world bosses anymore, at least not ones that give decent loot, yes they have rare monsters which would be a better name for these "mid level NM's" except they aren't rare due to crazy respawn times.

As I said in another post SE can still fix this issue, either by moving the NM's into the upcomming dungeons (perhaps they have this planned, who knows) or by making them part of a special mission faction leve.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

WoW doesn't have world bosses anymore, at least not ones that give decent loot, yes they have rare monsters which would be a better name for these "mid level NM's" except they aren't rare due to crazy respawn times.

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lol you said WoW

Wow use to have roaming rare mobs that droped better then average drops in the world not the best but good ones none the less when I played. I stopped when the game started to get highly nerfed and dumbed down to a stupidly low level.

But then again I see this is a horrible thing and a prime example of what I do not want to happen in this game. Anything resembling things hardcores could enjoy was nerfed out of it by the millions and millions of casuals who refused to accept the fact there was people who enjoyed them.

World Nms are simple if you do not like doing them... do the ones that will be released in dungeons and let those who enjoy them kill them. But putting them all in dungeons is stupid... it is a mmo you should be playing with a world of ppl not by yourself or a small group. And People = competition that is part of a mmo. Having no competition (like in WoW) is sorta like winning a content when no one else entered it... sure you get the reward for winning but man is it pointless.

I do not understand why anyone would want a 100% instanced mmo... that is what cheap free to play mmos do.

I love the free roam NMs and the current system. Its obvious its going to be a little hard since they were just released to get ahold of these items. Everyones there. But I also like the 30 min. Dungeon raid to fight one I just dont see it coming to be. Either way I think the current system for the NMs we have now is fine. In fact I believe it will be tp easy to obtain some of these given a few months but I really enjoy it as is.

I like free roaming NMs as well, makes the world feel more alive, you see more people out and about, not hidden away in instances. As others have said, they will be introducing dungeons where you will not have to compete with anyone. Some people like to compete for their gear, however and just because you don't like it doesn't mean SE should lock everyone out of it by instancing every NM.

it seems to me everyone is into the whole lets go intoa world not apparn\t of the world metality.i say balance have both.have items that are great available through nm's and instanced content. Balance is key here, also SE should focus on items for crafting alongside with the materia introduction.

Personally I do not want to play an instance only mmo. I liked ffxi's balance.

An instanced NM concept sounds intertesting, but I must say I enjoy the open world NM's currently. Heck, just earlier I was running through the black shroud forest trying to light some fires for some quest, and I came across a big beautiful NM doe. I didn't attack her, but seeing a rare creature made my forest run much more interesting. (and also because a small party ran up and jumped her right then..) That's one reason why I like this NM system, cuz it adds interest at random moments.

If SE were to change the NM system, then I'd agree with Speeral's idea and make it partly instanced, and partly open world. Adds variety.

I'm on one of the more populated servers, but already no one is camping these nms lol. I think most people had an r50 to just beat it down and get the gear already.

Your instance NM's are that in the GuildLevs you guys can get. Having everything instanced because everyone wants it doesn't mean it should be. For me thats part of the fight, being able to get the claim and beat before the other group does.

Sorry, yeah sure certain NM's should be but I don't think the majority should be. You won't be needing this NM's once there is more content. These NM's are for lower ranks and new people coming with the PS3 release shortly. In order for them to get this game going again they need Low/Mid rank content for the new people. They are doing this by the side quests/NM's/loot etc.