Controlling Steadfast

Steadfast is a dilemma for me, there are times I love it and times I hate it. Trying to do any grinding in areas like Horizon pre 1.16 patch was a killer (I'm assuming it's better now), I've lost count of the times I aggro's an following Aldgoat or two due to Steadfast.

So I thought I'd open this debate - do you think a MRD should be able to toggle Steadfast on and off? Still keep the 30 second timer, but once you are 30 secs into engagment (and have not moved) give us the option to use Steadfast or not! Thoughts?

The new patch allows us to, once receiving steadfast, keep it on with small movements. So once it pops, if you can, keep your movements small and if you want to remove it juke one way or the other.

All you need is to practice your movements. It is to just remove the effect right before using a tp move if you are concerned with your aoe aggroing multiple mobs.

Steadfast is an awesome skill, especially since the latest patch.

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Originally Posted by Galadrios

Steadfast is an awesome skill, especially since the latest patch.

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Agree, latest patch give us more mobility. This allow me to adjust the right angle to use my AOE.

In my opinion, I ever think like Grundy said that we should able to toggle steadfast on/off (maybe like GLA's Guard)
I always try to find the resolution of Steadfast and the latest one is how about trait that reduce preparation time of steadfast? (3sec for example) somewhat like GLA's Self's Preservation.

By the way, I support this topic that we should share discussions about Steadfast improvement. > <)/

My main beef with Steadfast is the majority of things you fight in this game dont live long enough for Steadfast to become active. This leads me to thinking it would be better to have this as more of a toggle action, kind of like the way Defender is now.

I think you should be able to toggle steadfast, was thinking of it like a WoW Paladin Aura type toggle bar, but it roots you to the ground permanently/or until a mob uses a knockback that breaks the effect.

Well, to "toggle off" just do a step to the side =P

But i agree should be a way to turn it on...it could be linked to light swing, just like light strike does to pugilist. This way you could activate and deactivate at will.

Enhancing enduring march would also be a good way to dealing with it. Think about an enduring march similar to defender...you toggle on/off, 30 minutes duration, 30 seconds recast and, while active, you will always having steadfast active. If steadfast happens to not be active, the enduring march effect will be forcing the activation of it.

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Originally Posted by Grundy

Steadfast is a dilemma for me, there are times I love it and times I hate it. Trying to do any grinding in areas like Horizon pre 1.16 patch was a killer (I'm assuming it's better now), I've lost count of the times I aggro's an following Aldgoat or two due to Steadfast.

So I thought I'd open this debate - do you think a MRD should be able to toggle Steadfast on and off? Still keep the 30 second timer, but once you are 30 secs into engagment (and have not moved) give us the option to use Steadfast or not! Thoughts?

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Yes, usually you end up hitting misc enemies because of steadfast. I think we should be able to toggle it off in the same manner that mages are able to toggle off their AOEs.

I agree that we should be able to toggle it on and off. I've only done leves but a habit I have is getting into steadfast before we fight anything. It helps a little but sometimes the mobs go nuts and I have to run towards them.

Steadfast really only makes one difference, AoE or no AoE. I find Steadfast to make the battle more interesting because there are times i want to AoE a group and others that i do not due to the possible gimping of the next group. There is so much more to being a MRD than just getting in Steadfast. I think that making Steadfast into a toggle feature will, in a way, stunt the skillfulness of being a MRD.

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Originally Posted by Kaisersose

Steadfast really only makes one difference, AoE or no AoE. I find Steadfast to make the battle more interesting because there are times i want to AoE a group and others that i do not due to the possible gimping of the next group. There is so much more to being a MRD than just getting in Steadfast. I think that making Steadfast into a toggle feature will, in a way, stunt the skillfulness of being a MRD.

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You can't just make a statement like that without a reason - why do you think that? I, for one, think it would make MRD more useful being able to toggle on and off. I would be more reactive to what is happening if, for instance, you are mid fight and there is a pop in front of you - you can choose to get the add or leave it depending on how the situation arises.

I believe controlling steadfast would be an art, just like mages knowing when to turn aoe on/off (which is rare to see. Most just turn aoe on and ignore the fact they're always hitting random monsters during parties).

The comment i did about enduring march earlier was pretty good actually...i might even do a real suggestion of that later (need to print the tags dev team is asking to add at suggestions thread first).

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Originally Posted by Grundy

You can't just make a statement like that without a reason - why do you think that? I, for one, think it would make MRD more useful being able to toggle on and off. I would be more reactive to what is happening if, for instance, you are mid fight and there is a pop in front of you - you can choose to get the add or leave it depending on how the situation arises.

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I understand your point and i am sorry for making a clam without supplying support. We already have the ability to toggle steadfast on and off, the only problem, it seems, is that it takes a bit of time for your character to get back into it. to use your example, say you are mid fight and there is a pop in front of you. At this point you you grind the numbers, should i AoE this mob as well? can my party take this monster on also? will the monster give us good sp if we fight it alone? because if i AoE this monster it could kill my party, or gimp the sp gained from it... whats my move? alright, i am going to not AoE it to save sp... at this point you get a different angle on the monster your engaged with so you remove your Steadfast and do not cause AoE.

on the other hand, if the monster pops and you want to attack it then by all means, AoE and let the pain train leave the station!!! because thats what we MRDs DO!!

Now, i believe that the option to be able to toggle Steadfast on and off will make our position as MRDs easier. we wouldn't have to worry about our positioning, or if we are going to cause major aggro. i feel that since beta, this game has only been getting easier and easier to play and i am afraid of where it might end... but thats another story lol

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Originally Posted by Kaisersose

Steadfast really only makes one difference, AoE or no AoE. I find Steadfast to make the battle more interesting because there are times i want to AoE a group and others that i do not due to the possible gimping of the next group. There is so much more to being a MRD than just getting in Steadfast. I think that making Steadfast into a toggle feature will, in a way, stunt the skillfulness of being a MRD.

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reminder:

wiggling your analog stick to get steadfast off = not a skill.
its not competing in timing against anything or anyone and requires no attention. in fact, its requires nothing to be pulled off (you could literally be watching tv while moving the analog stick around actually).

example of actual skill:

triggering a stun ability before the enemy unleashes a special attack.

alright, i never said that toggling steadfast off took skill. Matter of fact, to have the the ability to toggle it on and off with a click of the button takes even less skill as it requires even less to do. Furthermore, MRDs aren't much of interrupters. We have maybe 3-4 skills that MAY interrupt the target. If you want to talk about that sort of skill then please refer to the Lancer section of the forums.

wouldnt knowing when to turn steadfast on/off be a skill.

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Originally Posted by Kaisersose

alright, i never said that toggling steadfast off took skill. Matter of fact, to have the the ability to toggle it on and off with a click of the button takes even less skill as it requires even less to do. Furthermore, MRDs aren't much of interrupters. We have maybe 3-4 skills that MAY interrupt the target. If you want to talk about that sort of skill then please refer to the Lancer section of the forums.

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Originally Posted by Kaisersose

I think that making Steadfast into a toggle feature will, in a way, stunt the skillfulness of being a MRD.

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Yeah you did.

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Originally Posted by Nephera

wouldnt knowing when to turn steadfast on/off be a skill.

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That's the funny part. People who claim wiggling your stick in order to turn steadfast is a skill don't realize it's the *same* as toggling it on and off with a button. You still have to go "uh, is it going to hit other things?" (which I repeat, no skill is involved there).

The only reason steadfast isn't on a button, IMO, is lazyness from the developers. Currently it feels just like an unpolished last minute thing they threw in.

I'll be honest. I like steadfast...its very creative in my opinion the way it is...its deep in the context of MRD. Its like he getting to involved with the battle flow that, at same time he can fight better, he also become more reckless regarding targets.

Just imagine a pirate with a big axe...in the flow of battle he wouldn't care much if someone else was hit by a swing or 3. Just assume steadfast = tavern fight mode ^^

That's why i like it activating after a while and being cancelled when you move...after all, if you moved is because "something else", outside the current fight, caught your attention.

But i'd love to see a way to turn it ON and to protect it from turning OFF if needed. Enduring march is such an useless skill right now...in my opinion it really should be this way...an skill that allow you to use steadfast strategically isntead of only a "battle fury" situation.

Im also a MRD but i dont see the point in havin steadfast up or down does it really make such a big differance could be cause im new but the only reason me steadfast is handy is cause of defender and skullsunder and the lvl i am now

I like steadfast how it is. If mobs are crowded around and I don't want to hit them all, I step to the side to kick it off. I like that it automatically comes back on after 30 seconds. Adding it to the action bar would take up a slot, forcing me to give up something else. Making it a button might be ok for a controller but I prefer keyboard only (never use mouse/keyboard combo) If its not up at the moment and I need to AoE something (like someone said about a mob popping and deciding if you need to claim it or not) I just hit Broad Swing or Full Swing. This is actually a better option cause it is just enough damage to claim the mob without making it too hard for a tank to pull the mobs off you if needed.

I also like steadfast like it is. Why would adding it to a toggle switch make any difference? You would still have to wait the 30 sec for it to be active. So if you don't want it to go off move and if you do stand still or move just sightly to get lined up.

Now, I feel to accept that controlling steadfast will prove our skill in Marauder.
May be no need to make it can toggle.
But I think there should have some way to activate steadfast in time of need.
How about Foresight will also activate steadfast stance when use?

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Originally Posted by LunaChild

Now, I feel to accept that controlling steadfast will prove our skill in Marauder.
May be no need to make it can toggle.
But I think there should have some way to activate steadfast in time of need.
How about Foresight will also activate steadfast stance when use?

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That's exactly what i think...but i'd use enduring march to activate it since enduring march is pretty useless atm.

I still maintain that you should be able to toggle Steadfast on and off, more so now that it doesn't immediately go when you "wiggle your joypad" as it stays with small movement. I'm getting better at it, I still make the odd mistake but my feelings on this were re-enforced last night in Nanawa Mines Behest. Steadfast in a confined area probably cost us a quarter to a half of our potential SP.

Don't get me wrong I think Steadfast is an important part of a Marauder, I just feel it is not implemented to its full potential.

Indeed. Small area + MRD that isn't paying attention = terrible.

Its almost as bad as nuke-happy mages that just turn /aoe on and go mess others' behest. In these cases i often prefer to use maim or keep stepping back before a skull sunder/brutal swing. Or, when i'm in good mood, just keep running around the mob...it not only prevent steadfast to activate but also hits them from the side, supposedly giving a lower evade rate from monster.

One thing I'm sure all of you realize, but I'll go ahead and mention anyway.

Some Weapon Skills do not go to AoE, even under Steadfast. So if there's a chance I'm going to accidentally AoE, I'll usually switch to WSs that don't AoE under Steadfast. That means no Skull Sunder or Brutal Swing, but I can still use Maim and Trunksplitter.

Trunksplitter is an extremely s#!tty WS. I don't even have this crap equipped at my MRD. IMO a good MRD don't need single target WS...for me even Maim should become line AoE with steadfast.

Its all about skill IMO...like a mage that turn aoe on/off as needed instead of just leaving AoE on and screwing everything around.