for the tanks.

if your going to be a tank at least know your combos and know how to keep hate, keep your equipment up to date.
if your equipment is to low level your gonna die no way around that. your raid time will be a waste cures will not beable to keep up.

if the DD & healer are out tanking you, you're doing it very wrong.


just thought i throw this out, i think its needed. when you give out advice in game you get attitude from some.

For the Archanists... Please put away your Topaz Carbuncle in a dungeon environment.

Thank you.

I agree on some points. Nether the less we Tanks are a bit underpowered at the moment. Not talking about DMG as this is for DD's but our abilities don't catch enough Aggro at the moment. Atleast that's my Opinion

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Originally Posted by Soulscare

For the Archanists... Please put away your Topaz Carbuncle in a dungeon environment.

Thank you.

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Correct they tank everything ...

I would likewise like to add if your going to be DD please actually let the tank hit the critters/flash before going all out retard dps on it. Also try and hit what the tank is hitting.

The problems I've run into tanking is DPS focusing on other mobs than the one tank has aggro on. Not a problem by any means, but enmity seems to be pretty tough to take once someone has enough, even when basically spamming moves that supposedly have a high enmity rating.

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Originally Posted by indira

the combos help out alot with hate, spamming skills does nothing but make your job harder, combos give you a bonus and/or potency.


i never tell anyone how to do there job, but when it horribly obvious....

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Yep, I know this. That's why I said "basically spamming" and not "spamming". And, as marauder, I'm only aware of two combos that increase enmity, one for the time being is above my level range. But, thanks for taking the time out of your day to do what you don't normally do.

Also if someone puts an un-targeted mob to sleep to keep the need for healing down QUIT USING AOE'S PLEASE! I am a tank and I get sick of it. I have yet to die from it but man does it make it so much easier to target one mob and then the other after first one is done and defeated. Had a thm when doing tok-tarak kept doing that and then just decided on the last boss to start aoeing the whole crowd and before I could get the hate back he'd been hit too many times. I flashed, provoked, cured, and flashed flashed flashed and didn't get it back in time. I did nothing wrong he got hit by 5 mobs at once because his aoe gained hate from every single mob.

Please I want everyone to have fun. Allow your tank to do his job and be the first into battle to gain the hate and then after that only attack the mob he's attacking. makes it a piece of cake and you'll RARELY have to watch anyone in the party die.

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The problems I've run into tanking is DPS focusing on other mobs than the one tank has aggro on. Not a problem by any means, but enmity seems to be pretty tough to take once someone has enough, even when basically spamming moves that supposedly have a high enmity rating.

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the combos help out alot with hate, spamming skills does nothing but make your job harder, combos give you a bonus and/or potency.


i never tell anyone how to do there job, but when it horribly obvious....

Marauder not using Overpower & Gladiator not using Flash, letting mobs run amuck on healers. Not to mention DDs not focusing on the tank's mob, thinking they can tank mobs like they are in open field. For this reason, it is better to avoid the first 2 dungeons. By the time they get to Copperbell Mines, most people should have figured out what they should and shouldn't be doing in party dynamics.

For the DD's:

If you think you can fire off one or two AoEs without pulling hate, then be my guest. I'll already be casting Flash periodically to keep the healer from pulling aggro on everything, so you might as well take advantage of that. But flash is my only AoE enmity generator, and if I have to stop what I'm doing to spam it for you, then not only will it eat up my MP in seconds, but it will pull me away from generating enough single target threat to keep hate on what everyone else has focused. Simply put, I can't let that happen, and I mark my targets for this reason. If you decide to ignore this and spam your AoEs all fight long anyway, then don't blame me for what happens next.

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For the DD's:

If you think you can fire off one or two AoEs without pulling hate, then be my guest. But flash is my only AoE enmity generator and spamming it not only eats up my MP in seconds, but it pulls me away from generating enough single target threat to keep hate on what everyone else is already focused on. I mark my targets for a reason. If you spam your AoEs all fight, then don't blame me for what happens next.

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Signed my little Gladiator Friend :3 I used to be an Gladiator but wanted to start in Limsa. Missed you so much Gladiator ;_; But now i got it back xD

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Take everyones advice from this thread. Once you get the hang of it, it can be quite easy. It does MAJORLY depend on the party though. Any form of AOE before you can get 2 flash's off can get messy. I aproach just about every instance like this. Shield lob,flash, savage mob 1,flash,riot mob 1, savage mob 1, savage mob 2, flash again. After that, keep riot blade on mob 1, then tabbin savage blade onto every other one until they have all effectively been hit with. Also, diminshing returns on flash after 4-5. Use this strategy and your party will be able to AOE. Albeit give you enough time to go through a cycle of savage blade on everyone and you are fine. Once you hit 26 and get rage of halone. Much much easier, as now you have 2 attacks that generate good enmity.

Topaz Carbunicle can split damage for the tank,

This game is not just mash aoe hate generators like other mmo's Conj and thaum both have sleeps to help with pulls and adds just like the carbunicle can

Most fights go like this

1) tank generates hate on first target,
2) sleep other mobs
3 proceed

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Topaz Carbunicle can split damage for the tank,

This game is not just mash aoe hate generators like other mmo's Conj and thaum both have sleeps to help with pulls and adds just like the carbunicle can

Most fights go like this

1) tank generates hate on first target,
2) sleep other mobs
3 proceed

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Personally, I find the topaz carbuncle a bit of a nuiscance. Now I understand using the duty finder you dont always get the best tanks. So there is a need for it. But once you see that your tank is doing the right things and not losing enmity, switch it over. Help out with DPS. :) We got this.

I don't understand why everyone hates on ACNs using Topaz. (No pun intended.) So at low levels, Topaz ends up tanking half the time instead of the tank. Does this kill anyone? No... and if Topaz dies, then the tank should still be in second on the threat table, so things continue seamlessly. I actually quite enjoyed having a Topaz tank one add while I tanked another. It made my life that little bit easier. And if it ever does become an issue if/when Topaz dies, which I can't imagine causing issues unless the tank couldn't stay in second, then that's what Provoke's for. Where's the problem here?

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I don't understand why everyone hates on ACNs using Topaz. (No pun intended.) So at low levels, Topaz ends up tanking half the time instead of the tank. Does this kill anyone? No... and if Topaz dies, then the tank should still be in second on the threat table, so things continue seamlessly. I actually quite enjoyed having a Topaz tank one add while I tanked another. It made my life that little bit easier. And if it ever does become an issue if/when Topaz dies, which I can't imagine causing issues unless the tank couldn't stay in second, then that's what Provoke's for. Where's the problem here?

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As a MRD, one honest question: Does Topaz deal the same dps as the Emerald one?

I do hate ACN with Emerald if they do a premature pull, the knockback makes it difficult to regain hate.

I wonder if some tanks ever played as ACN once? Even so, do they know how to play that class?

I mean: Topaz is not ment to be the main tank, but in lower level dungeons it can do if needed (tank is dead). It is meant to fight the adds and keeping them away from healers and DDs including to split damage to tanks, so that he does not need much heal (special when tanks doesnt have best armor).

Emerald doesnt use knockback "always" when it is ready - if the enemy comes too close to Emerald it will use that skill if its ready and not just because it likes to make it harder for tanks!

I understand why there is hate growing towards Topaz, the problem is that it needs a lot more movement control. You have to actively move your pet and not just sit back and let him do what he likes... But please, when should a beginning ACN learn that if not in the first few Dungeons? Just using a random skill on the enemy does not force your Topaz to attack them, that only works on "first" target.

Is this the thread where we post advice everyone here already knows?

The people you are having these problems with are not the type of people who read forums to learn more about their role.

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I mean: Topaz is not ment to be the main tank, but in lower level dungeons it can do if needed (tank is dead).

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Just wanted to say: did Sastasha and Tam Tara as 4x Arcanists, no problem. One of our party wanted to play tank for Copperbell mines. So we went 2xACN, 1xCNJ, 1xGLA for it. Tank DC'd and couldn't get back on 5 mins into the dungeon. 2xACN and a CNJ proceeded to breeze through that dungeon. 1 topaz and 1 emerald carby (along with their ACN) and a CNJ are enough DPS to kill the final boss (though there was a little kiting involved at the end).

I tank and keep as much agro as I can its not hard to keep it aslong as aoe moves don't get used very much, while getting to 15 on healer tho I did notice alot of tanks not using flash, they my just be new to tanking so I think people should just try give little bits of advice , not full on rant at them when people give advice people listen, unlike if you rant they just quit the dungeon =(

The only problem I've had with tanks is when backup mobs spawn, they always go straight for my little CNJ no matter where she is on the map.

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if the DD & healer are out tanking you, you're doing it very wrong.

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Alternatively, the healer and DPS are doing it very wrong.

Fact is, it is very easy in this game to pull initial aggro. I mainly play a tank, but as a conjurer it's even easier to take and maintain aggro simply by doing what many healers do; needlesly start spamming heals as the tank hasn't even thrown out a flash yet. Then it's just a matter of continued healing to maintain that aggro, with every flash just very briefly making mobs look towards the tank.

And of course for DPS the primary issue most commonly being simply not attacking the tanks target. Either by actually single targeting a certain mob, or trying to AoE things down.

To all of Eorzea(how ever you spell it): DON'T STAND ON RED CIRCLES PURPOSELY!!!!!!!!!!! That it all.

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I don't understand why everyone hates on ACNs using Topaz. (No pun intended.) <snip> Where's the problem here?

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If someone has Topaz out, I don't fight Topaz for aggro, and I let it do its thing. However, I prefer that Topaz is put away when things get serious.
The problem with pet tanks is that they interfere with tanks doing their role properly. Pet tanks position enemies badly, and face them in the wrong direction. They interfere with AoE skills, unless the tank follows Topaz's lead and stands wherever it happens to put enemies.
If the fight is easy, go ahead and have Topaz out. If the fight is difficult, please understand that even though Topaz is taking a few hits for the tank, they can make the tank and everyone else work harder. If the fight gets difficult, probably Topaz will die anyway, so the problem will take care of itself. :)

Dear every other class.

Follow my lead, and focus on my target. I'm not going to hop to protect a quick trigger DD that wants to solo his own enemy.

Healers, stop using your water jet attack to knock my friggin target away from me and sleep them. That just makes me have to switch to a nearer target, and will probably mean when the bugger wakes up he's coming after YOU.

Off Tanks, don't compete with me for hate on the main mob unless the mob itself cleans aggro.

Arcanists, your topaz carbuncle is not a super saiyan. He's annoying and has just as much hate generation as i do, except i can't tell him to knock it off. Use your blue carby, he's ranged DPS anyway and is much more useful to the group.

Archers, this isn't FFXI, i don't need you to pull things to me, i can do that myself and it's much easier for me to set the hate table that way.

Sincerely, your friendly neighbourhood paladin.

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To all of Eorzea(how ever you spell it): DON'T STAND ON RED CIRCLES PURPOSELY!!!!!!!!!!! That it all.

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If only it was that simple.. I blame my internet connection, but I keep getting hit by AoEs while being really far from the red areas when the cast is finished Y_Y

I was "put in my place" by an arcanist who kept running ahead and got angry when his carbuncle kept grabbing aggro and dying. He had the nerve to call me a terrible tank when he would constantly dot sleeping targets and attack the mobs I wasn't. All I could do was smile and laugh.

Please Arcanist responsibly.

AGREED. I was put into 2 different parties and both had a very inexperienced tank. The tank for the first primal boss fight even ditched us halfway so 3 of us had to take it on. We got super close though. like if we had 3 more mins we coulda done it. Tanks study up please.

Not far into the game yet, but for any early mrd having some issues with trigger happy dd, it's all about the pull. Even if they pull initial agro, toss your axe, then stun closest target, throw a non combo sunder just for that first bit of "got ya". This should pile the mobs nicely, then overpower until you get tired of the button. After that rotate the targets with heavy/sunder combo for tp efficiency. I'm one of those bad tanks who fight a carby for agro just because of the positioning concern posted above. If the red cones aren't facing me, I feel like a dick.

No wonder no one wants to tank if they see threads like this...

How about telling dps to actually attack the marked target or at least the same target as the other dps and stop spamming AOEs?
Or telling dps and healers to slow down a bit when they obviously got aggro so that the tank can grab it back?
Also one of the most frustrating things you can do to a tank: Knocking targets away when you pull aggro or run around like a headless chicken. It doesn't help the tank get enmity back. Instead run to the tank and let him take it off you. Just because you're a ranged dps or healer doesn't mean you can't dps or heal from close up to the tank. ;)

It's a group effort, everyone has to play their role correctly. Don't just expect tanks to be supermen keeping aggro on everything no matter what. Just my two cents. :)

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AGREED. I was put into 2 different parties and both had a very inexperienced tank. The tank for the first primal boss fight even ditched us halfway so 3 of us had to take it on. We got super close though. like if we had 3 more mins we coulda done it. Tanks study up please.

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You're a couple days into a new game release and given that the first primal is 22ish... I've not had one party member death in a dungeon, does that mean I'm amazing, or maybe that my party carried me? Ponderous times....

Also as the gentleman above me stated, archers I'm looking at you. If you see your little enemy list go red dot, for the love of all that's holy stop spamming on that target, and put the tank between you and the mob, otherwise I have to drag the entire group through the party chasing you down. A certain someone on Siren should have died several times from being trigger happy on the pull then wanting to run away when it all went awry. Well that's what I get for inviting a dd to help speed their que time. I guess I'll just not invite a dd from now on and let them sit there watching the timer.

Another thing is if i have to chase down a mob you've pulled off me it messes up my aggro generation on the rest of them which can lead to me loosing them cause i have to chase after you.

I'm usually pretty good about tanking, but when there's an Arcanist using a Topaz Carbuncle and a THM using AoE spells, things get a little tricky... I didn't let the healer get any aggro, so I feel like I did my job well. :o

Regardless, it wasn't causing us any serious problems (it was in Copperbell Mines), so I didn't say anything about it.

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If only it was that simple.. I blame my internet connection, but I keep getting hit by AoEs while being really far from the red areas when the cast is finished Y_Y

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Glad to hear more people saying this lately! Well... glad in the sense that it will probably get fixed if enough people make the issue known. I don't think it's a personal internet connection issue, because oddly enough, this only occurs for me on a few select fights. It happens every time I do them, but is never an issue on most others. (Last boss of Brayflox's Longstop, and especially the second boss of Dzkasjdflkj Darkhold to name a couple of the worst offenders.)

Tanking is fine. Develop a vood rotation and you will not have any problems. As a tank mark targets so everyone can focus on one at a time. So you don't have to worry about the other mobs as much.

I am just learning to tank as a GLA and I appreciate any advice others can give me. So far I haven't lost agro very often, it usually always happens when the DPS hits the wrong target (and I mark every pull) or the Heals is way overhealing.

Also if your a mime, your not supposed to talk. Mimes don't talk...

When I level my CNJ I get a lot of obviously new tanks, when I switched to GLD I decided I didn't want to be THAT tank so I started looking up rotations and stuff I needed to know last week during downtime. But when I went in my first dungeon it was terrible. The healer decided casting Stone was more important than healing...I died at least 4 times in Satasha. Eventually my husband who is playing ARN had to take over healing. When I marked it seemed like the dps (who wasn't my husband) thought the order was 2,3,1. And to top it off, when someone stole aggro they either ran away or ran in big circles around the room.

So yea, while I've seen a lot of bad tanks...its not always their fault. They can only do so much, really...everyone needs to work together.

I'm a CNJ

To other CNJ - You should only be using your water move to knock an aggro'd enemy away from you or maybe a ranged ally. BUT you should be standing far enough back while casting that the enemy would likely fling back to the tank, and not even remotely be the tank's current target.

DD - LET THE TANK PULL! And watch your damn aggro meters!

Tanks - Don't try to tank through red circles without ever moving. You're not invincible and I watch you take massive amounts of damage from them just like everyone else. Get the hell out of the way when they come up. You and I depend on each other here. Don't make me waste all my mana, because I don't have a mana recovery mechanic as early as other magic classes aside from Ether. And you KNOW some noob DDs are going to take aggro and make me have to heal them too....

Edit: To EVERYONE: STOP trying to compete with the CNJ to cast and overwrite our Protect in dungeons. Yours are not as powerful as ours because you don't have the Trait Bonuses we do!

I just want Aegis Boon back...