Why There Are A Shortage Of Tanks, 2 Fixes

Do one dungeon on a tank class and you'll instantly know why tanks are in shortage.

Fix 1) Make any DPS that pulls hate on mobs you flash instantly get killed. Archers, I'm looking at you...

Fix 2) Instead of Fluid Aura knocking the mob back (and that move emerald carb does) Make it knock the player back instead of the mob.


I'm kinda kidding on Fix 1, but seriously; people can't read a simple 1,2,3 order, and there's always that DPS who knows better.
All it takes is one jackass kiting mob 3 while the rest are on mob 1 to make me question "why am I leveling this class again?"
It seems like there's just not enough penalty for these people to not pull the mobs.

Really makes me miss the days in FFXI where if you pull something like that= death sentence. I guess I'll always have the memories.

Or to quote the whm in my shell "OMG I just did Sastasha on GLD.. I'm NEVER using Fluid Aura again"

I know it'll be better when I'm only doing FC events at 50, but jeeze.. Tanks get **** all over on the way if you're playing DF

as a tank i get what you mean but if they make it too hard/scary or punishing nobody will want to do it, the dps will derp and die then its verbal hate for the tank/healer and the over sensitive x player leaves, the whole thing falls apart.

keep the early game easy and over tune the end game to separate the apples from oranges

theres always 10+~1 dps tank.heal/dps.dps ratio, at least and most know this so we ( they ) just deal with it.

as Archer i take this personaly :cool: . on other hand i have deal with my friends (tank and healer), if i pull agro i will tank it, if other dps (usualy random) pull agro he tank it. I usualy copy/paste it on every dungeon and trust me it make wonders.

the reason there are a lack of tanks is because the tank classes arnt fun to play and have hardly any true dmg migation or hp replenishing skills that actually work and matter. Also loot for the 2 tank classes suck as they cant need on alot of things they can use.

they should give gld more aggro generating abilities or at least one that uses TP and ogcd...

Add Samurai to the game and I'll be hooked. Evasion tanks!

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Originally Posted by Ryuni

Add Samurai to the game and I'll be hooked. EvasionParry+Counterattack tanks!

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Fixed.....

The fix would be to give pally a pet, people love pet jobs

Never had a problem in a dungeon arise from using Fluid Aura.

Is your conjurer in melee range or something? If the conjurer is standing back like they should be, guess where Fluid Aura knocks the mob? Right back to the tank.

You can't just hit it mindlessly or yeah...derp. Forethought is everyone's friend.

If you are talking about higher level instances that are difficult I can agree about DPS being annoying and pulling hate. However when we are talking about all the lower level dungeons I really don't care. As an arcanist I will make sure to DoT every single enemy because that is the fastest way of getting them all down, I don't care if I get hate or w/e and quite frankly the tank shouldn't either because it doesn't matter I won't die either way. Also this has nothing to do with it, but SE should really really lift restrictions on how many you need to enter, I would have so much more fun going in solo or duo and trying to do the lower level instances than be four people and just run through it as if it it was nothing.

I know this is a heathen idea and even thinking about it causes people to violently retch, but have you tried talking to your party? You know, to make sure they attack your target or target order that you set up? I know it goes against everything gaming stands for, but asking nicely and calmly works most of the time.

Oh... and if you're a GLD, remember that flash is your friend... that's the only reason you have MP. You are making it a lot harder for everyone, including yourself, if you don't use it and, instead, do 1 or 2 of your aggro combo on mob 1, then when mob 2 starts to focus the healer, you switch on that mob and completely forget the first mob that the DPS are still focusing (I had such a tank in party yesterday... made my assist macro useless: he even complained that keeping aggro was hard on GLD)

First dungeon, first time tanking, only 1 wipe because the healer was too busy dpsing and not healing the tank. It took the dps complaining to the healer to get him to heal more.
Flashed like crazy that whole run cause the healer was more interested in dpsing.

It's pretty much impossible to wipe, and nothing really does that much damage, so when a DPS gets aggro, practice different techniques to get it back. They're basically just testing grounds, so don't get so annoyed - bad DPS at the lower levels when it doesn't matter can make you a better tank for when it does.

A lot of people that complain about dps aggro or carbuncle just need to learn to tank better. Case in point, the guy streaming for MMORPG. I've also grouped with a lot of tanks who don't flash/overpower or only use them once in a fight.

For what it's worth, as somebody who has primarily healed for a decade, I find tanking to be pretty fun.

I'm enjoying a lot my gladiator (level 20 atm). Must confess that it took me awhile to figure out how to properly use all the abilities like for example Flash (you have to spam it and that's the reason you have a recovering mp combo).

Just played the first 3 dungeons and the game makes me stay focused as I must maintain aggro keeping an eye to the aggro meter, do some dps, set priority kill order... I just love it!

My only complaint is about shield bash being part of the GCD. It is a pity to run from AOEs instead of interrupt them because you just used a combo...

After lv26 it gets better, but still.... My biggest problem is when an ARC/Caster gets aggro and they run everywhere AND keep generating aggro (yeah archers, we are looking at you) and then I either have to spend all my TP on Shield Lob or waste Provoke on the mob ( I like saving it for when the healer gets aggro or for bosses). On a personal note, I hate when THM/BLM goes crazy on Fire 2 / Blizzar 2 instead of sleeping the mobs. But thats just because I like sleep, xD

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Originally Posted by Besbeset

My only complaint is about shield bash being part of the GCD. It is a pity to run from AOEs instead of interrupt them because you just used a combo...

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Actually that comes with experience. Once I was doing Haukke Manor's boss and stoped her AoE atack, only to see her do it again 2 more times in a row (me stoping them) and then I realized I was out of tp. So I came to the conclusion that was better to avoid then to stop that atack. But sometimes its worth it, like Ifrit's Radiant Plume. Even if I had to auto-atack for a few seconds.

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Originally Posted by FrogDog

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As someone who's played tanks in MMOs for 6 or 7 years now, there's a lot of tanks that are not doing it right. There's a lot of tanks that pretend they're DPS in the sense that they only stick to their highest threat rotation on one target, forget or don't use their other utility skills, or don't rotate between targets to place DOTs or use other threat skills.

A tank's job is to keep the highest threat in the group, yes, but there is functionally no difference between having just a little more threat, twice the threat, or ten times the threat as anyone else. That mob that you just hit three times with a Rage of Halone combo? It's going to stay on you. You can switch targets to something else and build threat on those too, or you can do some Riot Blade combos and spam Flash.

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Originally Posted by Hikozaemon

the reason there are a lack of tanks is because the tank classes arnt fun to play and have hardly any true dmg migation or hp replenishing skills that actually work and matter. Also loot for the 2 tank classes suck as they cant need on alot of things they can use.

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Okay, people really need to stop saying this. This is not a proven fact, it's completely subjective.

Tanking is objectively more fun because I get to be in charge. :>

Tanking is quite fun - The issue is there's 100x more DD than there are Tanks or Healers because it's easier to play and Arcanist currently is the flavor of the month.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

more DD than there are Tanks or Healers because it's easier to play

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Tanks are boring and their combat system sucks. People have been complaining about tanks since p3. This thread is nothing new and SE does not want to listen to us.

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Originally Posted by Soldier

Tanks are boring and their combat system sucks. People have been complaining about tanks since p3. This thread is nothing new and SE does not want to listen to us.

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Not sure where you get that tanks are boring, as they're standard faire of aggro-generating abilities. If you were expecting cure cheat macros and the like, you're only setting yourself up for disappointment.

yeah we need more tanks until we all hit 50 and we just need 2 of u for a full raid :D ,then what?

I don't know, I find some people just don't quite get how to party in a dungeon. I was in this one duty-found group that started off just blindly trudging forward not even waiting for the tank. After someone ultimately died (Sastasha, we hadn't even hit the clams yet and it was the healer, go figure) I, the lancer, called for everyone to slow down. Run went swimmingly after that cause the tank was finally able to start the fights instead of join then in progress. Still, as for tanking I was doing as much as the tank themself as I was chasing down and aggroing the mobs the archer and conjurer kept drawing in. I miss the crucible of Valkurm...

I personally think that tanking is fun. I guess it's just not for everyone. I mean, the satisfaction from dealing high damage numbers as a DD is pretty tempting. Additionally, both tanks and healers hold many lives in their hands, so I can understand if there's some imbalance in the number of players interested in those roles.

With that being said, I hope more people start drifting towards tanks and healers after they're finished playing their DD classes in the future. Both roles are pretty irritating at times depending on their parties, but I've always felt that the challenge and responsibility is invigorating.

Tank here. From Excalibur hit me up starting 7-9 pm est!!!

There aren't enough tanks because we can't login.

I have a 21 CNJ and a 21 MRD, and it's still faster to queue as a healer. I'm confused about all the "lack of tanks" commotion. Healers seem rarer to me. Is it that DPS players assume from Yoshi's statement that not enough people play a tank is why the duty finder takes so long for DPS to get in?

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Originally Posted by OrionInerghem

Fix 1) Make any DPS that pulls hate on mobs you flash instantly get killed. Archers, I'm looking at you...

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I don't know what my Archer buddy does but good lord can he pull threat in a matter of a half a second if I'm not on the ball...

good tank is further complimented usually by a good party.

Its a team game after all.

With that said DPS let tank gain hate before doing ur big moves else its gonna be bad for everyone..

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Originally Posted by Kjarahz

I don't know what my Archer buddy does but good lord can he pull threat in a matter of a half a second if I'm not on the ball...

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Archer can continually keep it's self buffs up.
- Straight/Straighter Shot.
- Proper rotation/timing/combination of Internal Release(Pug), Raging Strikes, and Hawk's Eye depending on the situation.

The class is a Dex build so Critical Hit Rate is typically higher than other DPS classes. However your friend like any DPS class, needs to watch their Enmity status window to properly adjust their timings and/or use Quelling Strikes on the fly.

If I pull hate as an archer for some reason. I run to the tank with the mob so its in their Flash/abilities range so long as it is safe. Otherwise, I shadowbind outside of range and mark it.

A good idea would be a call to arms... Give people who voluntarily queue for dungeons as healer or tanks (whenever a shortage is apparent) an additional quantity of Gil or some extra items or a random materia or something assist in making it worth while, if there were benefits to tanking I would gladly switch back to another one of my classes and help reduce duty finder queues... (BUMP IF YOU LIKE THIS IDEA)

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Originally Posted by OrionInerghem

Do one dungeon on a tank class and you'll instantly know why tanks are in shortage.

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Speak for yourself... I love tanking in this game and I hardly ever play a tank in MMOs.

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the reason there are a lack of tanks is because the tank classes arnt fun to play

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Sez you!

/10char

I normally prefer playing tank but both gladiator and marauder just seemed way to boring.

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Originally Posted by Tsaza

I normally prefer playing tank but both gladiator and marauder just seemed way to boring.

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Rage of Halone helps GLD a bit but, I agree. I'm only level 30 though we will see what changes later on.

So much fail in this thread it makes me lolz....

Op raises a fairly valid point, and the DPS reply: I don't care if I don't follow the order, I can tank mobs that I pull off the GLD so I'm gonna go ahead and keep doing it! - Good luck with that post-Sastasha.

Did you ever stop and think that even if you CAN tank it, its not what you are supposed to be doing? Did you ever stop to think you are causing unnecessary trouble for your party? Did you stop to think that if you actually follow the mark order, you will actually kill the groups FASTER?

Did you ever stop to think that the tank who takes the time to mark the mobs is a great tank, and you should basically follow exactly what he says?

Oh yeah, you didn't stop to think about anything like that because all you think about is YOUR MAD DEEEPS and have no idea how to function in a group atmosphere. Go back to your hunter, thanks.

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#3 - Shield Slam is on the GCD. This one actually pisses me off a lot.

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This is a very legitimate concern.

Maybe if they put in party voice chat for duty finder it wouldn't be a problem!