I know this has probably been posted to death, but I'd like an answer:
WHY ARE THERE ONLY 6 EU SERVERS?!?
Someone did the math;
There is 1 server for ever 5 million Japanese People
There is 1 Server for every 28 Million Americans
THERE IS 1 SERVER FOR EVERY 123 MILLION EUROPEAN PEOPLE?!?
In Beta Phase 4 Square Enix added 10 JP servers, 4 NA Servers, and only 1 EU Server. During the Beta 4 Weekend (16-19 August, 2013) It was virtually impossible to create a character on an EU server, nevermind play on one. I spent the whole 4 days rolling character on JP servers because they were the only one's with space, so if you knew these facts, and could tell that there weren't enough EU servers;
WHY DIDN'T YOU ADD ANYMORE EU SERVERS BEFORE YOU ALLOWED EVERYONE ACCESS INTO THE GAME?!?
I understand that the Beta Phase 4 Weekend was an Open Beta and so there were a lot more people playing the game than during previous Beta Weekends, but surely someone must have looked at the figures for the EU servers? Or seen a graph or a chart on how long the queues were? Or how many people per hour were getting the "World Full" message? Because what do you expect us to do in the EU; pay £8.99 a month to stare at log-in screens and trying every few minutes to access one of half-a-dozen overcrowded, inaccessible servers and never actually play the game?
Or how's this for a suggestion: When Final Fantasy XIV 1.0 failed, Square Enix apologised and sacked the team responsible...how about you let the community know who is responsible for the shambles that is the EU Server list and put up a vote to see if they keep their job?
Only 6 EU Servers?!?
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08-26-2013, 03:28 AMDingo9012Only 6 EU Servers?!?
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08-26-2013, 03:35 AMDingo9012
As of right now: 19:32 GMT - Saturday 25th August, 2013 - It is impossible to log-in to an EU server. It is impossible to even create a character on an EU server.
As of right now: When the Post Man turns up on Tuesday morning with my Final Fantasy XIV Collector's Edition Boxes (1 for me, 1 for GF) I am considering sending them straight back, because there is no point spending money on a game I cannot play. -
08-26-2013, 03:40 AMIroukan
Knowing that FF'S games are pretty popular in EU I think it's strange too.
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08-26-2013, 03:41 AMLainX
I start to think to send back my collector edition. If i cannot play, is usefull i buy the game.
I hope is better after 1 month but I think more people don't continue to play and SE start to merge the server. -
08-26-2013, 04:08 AMguyaume
What a waste of time, efforts, hope, dreams....
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08-26-2013, 04:09 AMLeyvin
Well first, your math is wrong if you're going by Overall Population or Potential Market... even more so as the more important aspect of a Server / Shard is how many concurrent players it can handle.
It makes sense there are more Japanese Servers Available, given that is where Square Enix (and most importantly the Development Team) are located ... this means they likely will be the most stable with fixes / maintenance taking less time due to local access rather than remote access.
In-fact the simple fact that problems continue to plague the NA / EU Servers, while the JP ones remain stable actually point to the issue not being the Game or Network Code; but simply a Server issue, and I'm not even convinced the problem is with the load as connection remains constantly Excellent and even in-game things are smooth. The fact there are connection time-outs, unresponsive services, etc... points far more to the Server Cluster itself is not setup properly.
I mean with usual server 'overload' you see it struggle with that extra load, but there has simply been non of that - it either works or doesn't. The only way it is that black'n'white when networks are concern is when the Routing is improperly setup. -
08-26-2013, 07:23 PMDingo9012
Actually my Math is based on a simple "Population of [Europe/North America/Japan]" Search on google, which comes up with a big blocky number in google, which I then divided by the number of servers designated for that region, ie: 25 JP, 19 NE, 6 EU...which came to those figures I listed above, rounded up or down to the nearest million...try it for yourself? I never specified potential markets, demographics, or anything other than population size.
Secondly...when creating a character on a JP Server, you have the ability to create on ALL servers...conversely, when trying to create a character on an EU server, they were ALL unavailable, as were several NA servers. This would mean that the JP servers are not at maximum capacity, while ALL of the EU servers and some of the NA servers were. Based on population alone we can see that Europe has a larger potential market seeing as how there are roughly 6 times more people in the whole of Europe than in Japan, and 200 million more than in North America, and yet we have considerably less servers to choose from...this is just terrible planning and has nothing to do with server location or server issues, it is just a lack of foresight on SE's behalf, and a failure to observe data from the Beta Phase 4 Weekend as I stated above.
As for the rest of your speculations; There is no overload because the servers are not getting anywhere near overload, they are simply accepting a low maximum capacity that is easily dealt with and then going grey so no more characters can be created, thereby blocking anyone else who wishes to play in the EU from playing on those servers. Just read the message that was posted 5 hours ago by Naoki Yoshida: http://www.vg247.com/2013/08/26/fina...s-server-woes/ -
08-26-2013, 07:26 PMFayto
Quite frankly your math is bullshit since both NA and EU share the same data center, so it doesn't mean crap how many EU servers there are since they are in the same location as NA servers.
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08-26-2013, 08:02 PMMavlok
Dude, you can't go by total population. EU market is a fraction of NA/JP ones. Look at WoW's EU pop compared to NA.
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08-26-2013, 08:08 PMwirewitchIt's not bull at all, people want to play with others in their own time-zones for obvious reasons. Later in the game you don't want to be logging in for a raid in the small hours of the morning when you're meant to be at work the next day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fayto
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08-26-2013, 09:10 PMDingo9012Wrong. Check this link: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoW_population_by_countryQuote:
Originally Posted by Mavlok
3.0 Million in the USA, but add up all of the other numbers across Europe that have to play on EU servers and it comes quite close to that 3.0 million...European Gamers make up, from all the different countries in Europe, almost as many WoW players as US Players, so; the EU MMO Gamer Market is the almost the same size as the NA market by your argument. -
08-26-2013, 09:16 PMDingo9012As wirewitch said below:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fayto
I don't want to have to get online at 3/4/5 in the morning to go raiding with NA players who schedule raids for 6pm local time. Would you be willing to play in a guild, in a raid, with people who are 8-9 hours behind you, so while they're fresh home from work with an hour or two of rest you're watching the sun rise and worrying that this next boss might make you miss your bus to work? EU servers are for people running on typically GMT and upwards of one to two hours, so my argument still stands; Why are there only 6 EU Servers?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by wirewitch
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08-26-2013, 09:18 PMNekodar
Do you seriously believe that the JP datacenter is only intended for Japan?
There's other countries in that region you know... With people connecting to the JP datacenter because that's what is closest to them.
Players begged for regional datacenters to reduce "ping", so we got the NA/EU one in addition to the JP one, and now they bitch about actually getting regional datacenters...
Worst are the players that decided to go for the worlds that they knew even before P4 started would be very high population, and now bitch about not being able to create characters there.
As for "only 6" EU designated servers, that's most likely based on numbers they had from 1.0 and XI.
As for adding more servers, that's kinda pointless until they get the lobby and duty server clusters stabilized. -
08-26-2013, 10:05 PMKyouki
I am usualy not the person that complains on forums. Im way too old for that and i have been playing a lot of MMO's and most of them from day 1.
What makes me really angry with the overpopulation on the so named "EU servers" is... This director asks us to create characters on a server with a lower population. But which server has a lower population? JP ones maybe...
BUT!
Sorry i am sick of playing with "JP only". I have played FFXI for years and even while i have learned some JP to play with them. I just dont wanna do this anymore. Not because of the language (which is an issue - fact). The simple reason is: I dont wanna raid in the early morning with JP, nor do i wanna raid in the late night with the americans. As much as i love to play with different nations and as much as i love to play and communicate in english... I have to take care for a family and i gotta get up early in the morning. I have to spend time with my son in the afternoon so the only real time to play is in EU prime.
So why for gods sake should i create a character on a server where i will end up playing alone again just like i did the major time in FFXI?
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08-26-2013, 10:13 PMFaytoYes because I AM in an EU guild and I am in America. Like I said, EU servers ARE the same thing as NA servers. They are in the same location and use the same data center. Your entire post is irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingo9012
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08-26-2013, 10:22 PMRemilia_Nightfall
As someone stated in another thread, the whole labeling of JP and NA/EU server is unnecessary.
Pretty much all servers have the same ping, so they could have simply removed this arbitrary categorization (especially for NA/EU) and let everyone choose whichever server they wanted.
Result: less crowded servers, and we might have had the chance to play decently during the last weekend. -
08-26-2013, 10:44 PMwirewitchYou do know the EU data centre is still in NA don't you? Not very local... And I didn't decide on my server (except maybe when I started 1.0 and my original server was merged into Saragtana's which is one of the more densely populated NA servers at the minute). I've been there on that server since day one. I didn't (and many others like me I imagine) choose a server I knew would be impossible to log in, just to some how justify a bad mood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nekodar
And they had more numerical intel on how many people in the EU would be playing going by, yes 1.0 data, but also pre-order pre-sales. There is literally no excuse. -
08-26-2013, 10:45 PMwirewitchWow...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fayto
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08-26-2013, 11:04 PMSneakaboo
European players like playing on servers that have an EU tag because this way they end up playing with people from the same timezone (or close to).
Six servers are currently full and lots of players can't play.
I've got the feeling some people honestly have no idea what timezones are, that and a general lack of common sense. -
08-26-2013, 11:04 PMKyoukiYou dont get it, no? I dont think any EU person gives a damn where the servers actualy are located. Who cares if the ping is 20 or 100? That doesnt really change a thing. But what makes a difference is, that if a server is labeled as "EU" more "EU ppl" might wanna make that one their virtual home in hope to find "more EU ppl" to play with at "EU prime".Quote:
Originally Posted by Fayto
In FFXI i played with NA mostly and hell i was pissed 4 days a week when i watched them start NNE, Dynamis and all that other stuff 15 minutes before i had to log. Made me quit cause i dont pay for a "Massive Multiplayer Online Game" to play it on my own.
THAT is the point.
Finaly there is a higher chance for the EU gamers to play with other EU gamers. One of the main reasons i came back after i quit in v.1. -
08-26-2013, 11:23 PMRemilia_NightfallThat's why they should have removed this JP/EU/NA nonsense completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyouki
Just one list of server - choose whichever you want.
Of course the various communities out there would have chosen "unofficial (insert country here) server" so some unbalance was going to happen anyway, but still that would have allowed every server, more or less, to have people from all timezones. -
08-26-2013, 11:24 PMSneakaboo
Yeah well that's exactly what some people don't want.
Personally I find it more appealing to play with people from Europe than lets say Japan.
It's more comfortable for raiding. -
08-26-2013, 11:41 PMZetsumei_SekaiI hear this everywhere, but this is wrong. European players will most likely pick a server designated with EU because they will find people there mostly in line with their timezone. I picked EU because I want to raid during evenings instead of hearing the raid is planned for the middle of my night should I have played on a server designated as NA. It's really that simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fayto
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08-27-2013, 12:17 AMKyoukiI would never have concidered to come back to this game if servers would have been "global" again. And im sure that a lot of europeans see it like me. I placed my order when i found out, that there will be "EU"-servers. Not before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall
I started FFXIV in alpha and i really loved it from the very beginning. But again: I couldnt find ppl playing during my time-frame. Global servers are bulls**t if the eastern part of the world is asleep and the western part of the world is at work while you are finaly able to play after you had a long day in your office or with your kids.
Besides that: "JP only - english no thanks"... I have seen that way too much in my final fantasy time. -
08-27-2013, 03:23 AMDingo9012
Some people seem to have severely missed the point on this one. Arguing that; "The EU and NA servers are in the same location!!!" doesn't really matter, I mean...what the hell does the physical location have to do with server designation anyway? I know they are all one list, in one physical location, but that's not the point of the discussion, the point was: Why are there only 6 EU Servers? Why are only 6 out of the list of 25 EU/NA servers designated as EU, for players who prefer to play with other players from the EU during EU primetime, in EU languages?
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08-27-2013, 03:29 AMWhizawk
The influx of new players from launch is going to cause even more problems.
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08-27-2013, 03:35 AMFadeLots of people absolutely and utterly fail at reading comprehension. Dingo is right on the nose here - this is the main concern, not ping. I can't raid with Americans or Japanese because of the timezones. I guess an entire Euro LS could create on a JP server and just run their own raid times (which would be when the server is practically desolate). That kind of defeats the point of community though, doesn't it? Plus the game is so fresh, a lot of players have no idea what LS they want to join.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingo9012
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08-27-2013, 03:35 AMVaunontTotaly agree, that is one of the things I liked about FFXI. No matter what time I logged on, there was always enough people online to group with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall
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08-27-2013, 03:38 AMSkiesBecause in SE's past experience there was BARELY enough people not to make a ghost server with 1 EU server in the previous version.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dingo9012
Growth is expected by why would they expect a change in the ratio of logins from different parts of the world? EU had always been the smallest amount of people before, they presumed that no matter how much the game grew, it'd still be the smallest amount of people, thus the smallest amount of servers -
08-27-2013, 03:40 AMFadeWell if us EU players can't get on, then SE is going to have what I like to call a "self-fulfilling prophecy".Quote:
Originally Posted by Skies