Tomorrow(Monday Aug 26th)

IGN is scheduled to livestream FFXIV tomorrow...
A lot of perspective players will be watching that stream and if these servers are not working still then SE can kiss a good amount of players good bye.

Hopefully things will not be as bad since it's a weekday and people will be at school/work.

IGN is a retarded site to begin with.

If people can't play on their time off, and only get errors and problems when they aren't at work and can actually find the time to play, then the game is going to have bigger problems then a bad IGN review.

This is the second weekend in a row that I've been wanting to play Final Fantasy and have been completely locked out. I'm a patient guy, but once bitten twice shy. I'm tired of not getting to play the game I've thrown my credit card at. :|

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Originally Posted by Fantasy9

IGN is scheduled to livestream FFXIV tomorrow...
A lot of perspective players will be watching that stream and if these servers are not working still then SE can kiss a good amount of players good bye.

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probably a good thing, since they dont seem able to handle the current population

Money says the live stream will be done on a JP server.. since they're ok.. the illusion will be fine

prospective*

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Originally Posted by Cuban

IGN is a retarded site to begin with.

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A retarded site with a massive amount of followers, unfortunately. If this keeps going, they will bash on the game badly, and a crap ton of people will believe every single thing they say. Not that it will be false at all, 'cause this is a fucking train wreck. Yay for the 3-day bug-ridden open beta which served to test NOTHING AT ALL! :D

Sorry am I missing the issue here? less people? Good, they can stay out and go back to what ever IGN said is a good game.

Yes you did miss the point. The point is, a bad review from IGN will not do the game any justice. IGN is one the more dominate game reviewing companies.

i am starting to get concerned.
a downgrade of a few metacritic score points, fair or not would be bad news for the game.
A few thousand players may well have already been lost from the million on account of this.
...and i am not one to just tell them to go away. I want them in the game.

It's really crucial this be fixed by main launch day.

Personally, if a large group of people who base their opinions on games on A. someone else B. a publicized group of people C. the internet, I don't want them to be part of the community I plan to be a part of.

I will be very happy if these problems persist, and a large group of people I don't like aren't in my life.

Anyone that needs a review to determine how an experience will be for them, doesn't deserve to play good games anyway.

Good on them if they decide not to play, we don't need WoW-like population to survive. We sure as well don't need mindless drones in our population to survive either. Can you imagine holding all of their hands? Browse the IGN forums someday, many of their users still ask questions that they could answer themselves, if they payed attention to the tutorial, or just read the instruction manual.

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Originally Posted by Lucroarna

Personally, if a large group of people who base their opinions on games on A. someone else B. a publicized group of people C. the internet, I don't want them to be part of the community I plan to be a part of.

I will be very happy if these problems persist, and a large group of people I don't like aren't in my life.

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That might be but looking at the amount of money and time SE spend on rebuilding this game they kinda need that amount of players.

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Originally Posted by Illusion

That might be but looking at the amount of money and time SE spend on rebuilding this game they kinda need that amount of players.

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They know 50% of the first batch of players quit. This is the age of ADHD where people play things for 4 days and never touch it again. Pretty sure they'll somehow survive.

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Originally Posted by UllrHellfire

Sorry am I missing the issue here? less people? Good, they can stay out and go back to what ever IGN said is a good game.

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This. IGN's followers are worse than the TotalBiscuit and Kripparian mongs, if none of them buy the game, all the better as far as I'm concerned.

Lmao GL with that one SE

The WhiteKnight denials have come full circle. They're now happy the game performing so badly, that people will justifiably write it off, which will make this great game even better.

If you guys actually spoke some of that nonsense out loud, you'd probably realize how insane it sounds. Calling this anything short of a cluster-fuck is disingenuous at best; and "Stage-1 Grief: Denial" at worst.

I, personally, am glad that the WhiteKnights are finally in the minority. Maybe we can can get SE to listen to the REAL feedback that's been coming since Phase2 now.

Hopefully IGN demands stream from an NA/EU server.

All these people that are like "Less players? Good!" or "Who cares about IGN?" are seriously missing the issue here. I love the mechanics of this game and it looks beautiful, but unless they have a successful launch this go around and get a lot of people hooked, there may not be a future for this game.

It's not only a game, this is a business. And part of making a successful business is making sure your product is sellable...and right now it's hard to sell it. I don't care about "no MMO has had an error free launch!" or "give it time!" I care about the here-and-now.

Seriously? People are worried that metacritic scores will suffer because of server issues in the first week?

Any critic worth a grain of salt is going to judge the game on things like its graphics, story, and interface. These things are constants that carry into any persons experience of the game.

Server instability isn't a constant. Unless you can guarantee that server instability is going to be a persistent issue and that the developers have no interest in addressing it it isn't the kind of thing that would ever get factored into a decent review.

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Originally Posted by Parodine

All these people that are like "Less players? Good!" or "Who cares about IGN?" are seriously missing the issue here. I love the mechanics of this game and it looks beautiful, but unless they have a successful launch this go around and get a lot of people hooked, there may not be a future for this game.

It's not only a game, this is a business. And part of making a successful business is making sure your product is sellable...and right now it's hard to sell it. I don't care about "no MMO has had an error free launch!" or "give it time!" I care about the here-and-now.

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This.

It's all about the money. The subscriptions will help it survive, sure, but you need to have a population of players to have subscriptions.

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Originally Posted by Cuban

IGN is a retarded site to begin with.

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Yup, but that doesn't change the fact that people will be watching the stream...

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Originally Posted by Kyzr

The WhiteKnight denials have come full circle. They're now happy the game performing so badly, that people will justifiably write it off, which will make this great game even better.

If you guys actually spoke some of that nonsense out loud, you'd probably realize how insane it sounds. Calling this anything short of a cluster-fuck is disingenuous at best; and "Stage-1 Grief: Denial" at worst.

I, personally, am glad that the WhiteKnights are finally in the minority. Maybe we can can get SE to listen to the REAL feedback that's been coming since Phase2 now.

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You're missing the point good sir, the people who are saying they want a bad-ish review or something along those lines have one thing in mind, and to have a nice community in general. And to be honest, IGN's fanbase or whatever you call them are filled with trolls and entitled whiners, so having them in this game feels like a bad deal for us players who want to play for the long run.

The thing is right now, ignoring the log-in issues, the game is amazing, In my opinion it's the best MMO of all time, but because of how amazing it is, the population was bigger than what SE expected, which in turn caused all these bugs to occur. If you take a look at it, pretty much all of the recent bugs are related to the server being full or heavily congested, a bigger population would simply make this worse.

As for me, I don't mind what kind of review IGN makes about this game, I'll probably still take a look at it because of my curiosity but I've already decided that I'm staying for the long run and so are a lot of people, so what we really want is a game we can enjoy, and having a bigger population may or may not be a good thing, it depends on what kind of people decide to join in.

Isn't the NDA still in effect until the 27th?

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Originally Posted by Fantasy9

Media gets a special pass for the NDA tomorrow.

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Ah okay, thanks :)

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Originally Posted by Chiapet

Money says the live stream will be done on a JP server.. since they're ok.. the illusion will be fine

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This. Effin' this. I mean how many "emergency maintenance" have they conducted just during this Early Access? I lost count already. And in all that, there was maybe one time when the world indicator was red, instead of yellow, signaling all Japanese worlds working ok and all NA/EU ones offline for maintenance. What in the seven hells is so bloody different about the Japanese servers??? Because if it really is ~only~ the number of players... I don't even know what to think.

Media gets a special pass for the NDA tomorrow.

Everybody chill.. The game is not "officialy" launched yet, so it's better that they fix the problems NOW, even if there is alot of downtime.
This means 1 thing.. that they can fix a problem much faster at launch (27th), or that there won't even be a problem, since they are looking into it. They still have 2 days left to make the official launch of the game go as smooth as possible.
Also I understands everybody wants to play in the early access, same for me..
Keep yourselfs busy people.. There is more in life than final fantasy.

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SE still have plenty of time before TUESDAY. IGN picked the WRONG day to review a game. They dare make themselves foolish to review a game not officially live. Gamespot, now that's one community I'm worrying about when it comes to reviews(They're picky with JRPGs)

We had THREE maintenance last Saturday. This is the 4th main today..... I thought they fixed the duty finder by now. I'm not having problems with logging in on my account.

Better not let a western rpg fanboy review a Final Fantasy game, IGN.

Welcome to Beta5.

There is no excuse for the current state of affairs. SE should have properly load-tested the servers during any of the numerous betas by bringing down all but a handful of servers and create the expected per-server population levels. This was obviously never done.

If SE was unable to accurately forecast the population, then some of their folks are asleep at the wheel. They know from advance sales and the number of copies of the game that they shipped how many new players would be coming over. They know the player counts from 1.0 and the betas. They should have at least used this number as a conservative low estimate and given themselves capacity to handle at least 20% more.

I agree that this is a business, and there is interest in making the launch go smoothly. Clearly things are different in Japan. Had this been an American affair, heads would have long since been rolling.

White to move. Hey look, he's reaching for the knight...

Ugh, Bamhead it is officially launched - they charged people for early access, therefore people now have legitimate reason to complain and demand answers. You cannot just take money off people and then say "oh btw we're not officially launched yet, and even if we were - mmo initial launch - excuses not required, that's enough".

I wasn't bothered about the bugs at first, but now, I am, because money has exchanged hands and I am not getting what I paid for - and, as it's a game, people won't be able to get a refund now for the physical CE + EA box set. That is reason enough to warrant complaints.

Clearly less people in a subscription based game is a good thing right? That seemed to work wonders for 1.0.

OP: Who cares? I'm an intelligent person and I've played MMOs before - both of those characteristics help me to prepare realistic expectations for any launch (yes, even if it's a re-launch; the server load doesn't discriminate). If IGN encounters problems during their live stream, then they encounter problems during their live stream; any MMO gamer worth their salt will realize that this is what commonly happens when MMOs with high populations go live. Those who will instantly judge and assume to know the quality of an MMO based on its very first days are people I probably wouldn't want in my community anyway. Such snap judgments imply shallow reasoning skills and a general lack of patience and understanding, as issues with server load in Early Access do not in any way represent the actual quality of the game.

I hope this answers your question. Good luck!

I don't read IGN much but I do know if that if they live stream the 'SERVER IS FULL' screen and booting you out...well, that's probably not good. There are a lot of potential players to lose and gain here.

According to the internet, anyone who likes something someone else doesn't like is a white knight.

I dislike entitled brats, and I certainly don't want to play video games with them.

The game's doing fine in Japan. A few thousand angry 12 year olds aren't going to end the game, I'm sorry, but you people who assume you're Video Game Designers, IT specialists, Social and Economical analysts, are merely consumers who already paid for the first big chunk of the game's costs. unfortunately, in this particular MMO, the "white knight" crowd is what the game has been made for.

IGN fans are not important. As much as SE is a company, they also have a lot of respect for thier products, and their loyal fanboys, believe it or not. This isn't a korean free to play moneygrab, this is a work of art.

Please, go critic some youtube videos, and stop attempting to ruin a great game by poisoning the community.

Everyone complaining about the potential community being whinny and bratty when there is nothing but complaints and people whinning all across the front page of the forums... look I'm not saying there isn't reason to complain but I am saying don't judge less ye be judged... that's how it goes right? This community so far hasn't shown that it is so different than other MMOs to me at least. I'm not saying its like Tera's or anything but still were not exactly cream of the crop. Let's not assume the potential costumers are angry confused children.

IGn reputable? lol they may have been a few years ago, but these days they have crappy reviewers, don;t know which type of reviewer to go with what type of game (read genre) and thus mostly deliver crappy reviews, yet they still deliver 9 / 10 scores to games like CoD each time again. Reputable my ass, bought is more like it.

and this was my 3/3 posts in general -.- stupid limitations.

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Originally Posted by Cuban

IGN is a retarded site to begin with.

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You are in fact correct!!!

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Originally Posted by Battlewrench

Everyone complaining about the potential community being whinny and bratty when there is nothing but complaints and people whinning all across the front page of the forums... look I'm not saying there isn't reason to complain but I am saying don't judge less ye be judged... that's how it goes right? This community so far hasn't shown that it is so different than other MMOs to me at least. I'm not saying its like Tera's or anything but still were not exactly cream of the crop. Let's not assume the potential costumers are angry confused children.

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They would have to not act like them for that to be taken into consideration.

Maybe if they had extended beta phases to last more than 3 fucking days each, they would have found a lot more of these issues with the game. Approx 48hrs of any server being active and utilized fully is nowhere near enough time to work out all the bugs.