Offline crafting/gathering leveling

In an effort to make the game more player friendly, what if it was possible that if you logged out in a crafting/gathering class, in that class's guildhall using a special option your PC would in effect be working around the guild as an apprentice. Because of that, he'd get a fixed amount of SP when he logged back in based on how long you've been offline.

For example, if you could gain 1% of what you need for the next level every hour, you could level up that class in about 4 days. It's not a lot, but every extra bit helps.

I'm not sure that's entirely fair. Will DoM or DoW have something similar, where they can get free SP just by camping in a particular spot? If people are given an option to gain levels / ranks by doing absolutely nothing, they will only come out long enough to do their leves, then immediately log off so they can get max free SP until the next leve reset.

New definition to casual mmo... you can beat the game now "WITHOUT EVEN LOGGING ON!!!!!"

This is a horrible idea in my opinion... sorry no other way to really put it.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

New definition to casual mmo... you can beat the game now "WITHOUT EVEN LOGGING ON!!!!!"

This is a horrible idea in my opinion... sorry no other way to really put it.

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So casual you can log off for 1day and gain 3 level per day you not log on :) and when you log on you talk to a npc and you get best gear for that level.

you pay 12.99$ for how many hours you played so if you played for the amount of hours it take to make 29days you have 24 left of game time ya!!!!!

I don't think getting SP to stay at a certain spot while logged off is such a good idea. However, if SE could make some sort of out-of-game mini-game that we can log in to play on Lodestone or something where we could gain SP I'd be all for it. Assassin's Creed Brotherhood had something similar for Facebook and I personally quite enjoyed being able to level my Assassins and gain more florins while out of game. While I'm wishing upon a star, I'd also like to be able to manage my inventory and bazaars out of game as well as chatting with friends and LS mates in game through a browser.

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Originally Posted by Zuellni

I don't think getting SP to stay at a certain spot while logged off is such a good idea. However, if SE could make some sort of out-of-game mini-game that we can log in to play on Lodestone or something where we could gain SP I'd be all for it. Assassin's Creed Brotherhood had something similar for Facebook and I personally quite enjoyed being able to level my Assassins and gain more florins while out of game. While I'm wishing upon a star, I'd also like to be able to manage my inventory and bazaars out of game as well as chatting with friends and LS mates in game through a browser.

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SE did say they like to make it so you can talk to your friend and linkshell on the website and on phone so we may see this sometime.

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

In an effort to make the game more player friendly, what if it was possible that if you logged out in a crafting/gathering class, in that class's guildhall using a special option your PC would in effect be working around the guild as an apprentice. Because of that, he'd get a fixed amount of SP when he logged back in based on how long you've been offline.

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Wouldn't that make the game more NON-player friendly? :P

You obviously haven't tried crafting. ;)

This is the worst idea I've ever heard of..................................... omg -_-

How much easier are we going to make video games? If this was actually in the game, I don't see how you could make the game any easier. You wouldn't even have to play to be playing the game anymore.

Let's just turn MMO's into game sharked games, INVINCIBILITY ON, LEVEL 99 ON, ALL ITEMS ON, 999,999,999GIL ON, GOGO!

Bad idea is bad. DoH's already have it easy, they don't need free ranks.

Honestly, this is a pretty bad idea. Anything that encourages a player to log out of the game is a bad idea IMO. Balance out the SP gains for gathering and it won't be so bad.

I can understand the suggestion, but I think it goes against everything that FF should be. To put it bluntly, if you want to play a crafter/gather job and gain XP/SP solo like, Animal Crossing is the go-to game.

This is a very very poor idea. People would just edit their offline characters with all sorts of tools and you are suggesting them to be allowed to be logged back in online. Even in online games with an offline content or version, characters for offline play never get to be used online knowing how much editing would be done.

These kind of suggestions are good for one reason only.

To give the staff at SE something to laugh and joke about during dull moments in the office.

You should be a comedian not a crafter or gatherer.

Bad idea IMO. An MMO that can be played offline is a tremendus risk for the game itself. Just imagine that while offline you can bot, you can cheat, you can hack...all without any kind of risk for the person.

I can see, if it was possible, RMTs creating a character, logging out and 10 min later logging back r50 in all classes, with 999,999,999 gil and the inventory full of endgame items.

I'm not in favor of this idea, but I don't think the OP is suggesting that you can play the game while offline. I think she's suggesting that sort of "free" SP is awarded if you log off while in a gatherer's guild. You're not actually doing anything, you're just getting SP based on the imaginary idea that your character is doing something while you're not playing. What she's suggesting is that you can log in on day 1, park your character in the botanist's guild, and then log off immediately. You can do nothing with the game for 2 months, and when you log back on, you're a level 50 botanist.

This is conceptually similar to what Eve Online does. In Eve, you assign skills that you "learn" one at a time. You don't really do anything to learn them. You just learn them based on the amount of time that goes by, whether you're playing the game or not. Once enough time goes by, you "learn" the skill, and can unlock more stuff to learn.

The difference is that Eve is not an XP/SP system. You're like a computer just downloading information. It works in Eve there because there are tons of skills to learn, you've got to log in often enough to change out the skills you're learning, and the top level skills can take weeks -- in real world time -- to learn. Eve doesn't have a "level" system. There are no "level 1s" or "level 50s." It's all just skills that you learn and then use in the game.

It's an interesting system for Eve, but it won't work in this game. The whole idea in this game is that your character is better because of his "experiences," which is why they're called "experience points." It wouldn't be fair to the people who are actually earning their XP/SP to give it away free to people who just log off for extended periods of time. And having people mine/botanize/fish helps the economy, too. Awarding free Sp for logging off doesn't help the economy at all. In fact, it will hurt the economy because those players won't be in the game buying gear, buying tools, and getting repairs.

Plus, you'd have people who abuse the process. Why would I spend time mining if I can level faster by not playing the game? Talk about making the game easy for RMTs. I can get an army of mining bots to level 50 just by signing them up and then logging off.

The point is to encourage people to play the game. Your system would encourage them to not play the game. I think that's a bad idea.

Awww... give the OP some slack... yea this is the worst idea yet.... but thats what this forum is for.... throwing around ideas... some good... some bad... Let's get hopped up and make some bad decisions

@Op Yea, you'd have your entire player base sweeping the guild all day every day.... Crafting may seem monotonous at times but it's rewarding when you reach that big milestone... EVERY legitimate R50 crafter is so very proud of that achievement... Your idea is like a slap in the face to everyone who has spent blood, sweat, tears and shards on their craft

So you can play the game while not playing it?

Sorry to say, this is really bad idea.

I am a crafter, yes, crafting is boring, sometimes the setting still doesn't make sense, but i don't think it is good for anyone getting the crafting rank without any payoff. This will make the crafting system meaningless...so why people doing crafting? If anyone would eventually rank up his or her crafting to 50 ranks? Why SE don't use NPCs to replace crafter instead??

Last point: I love crafting, I hope SE would make crafting more interesting, people give more respect to crafter, but don't use machines to replace my job!

Isn't this a f2p mmo idea? Perfect World and the games made by Perfect World basically have botting built in the game. You receive a fixed amount of exp when you log in, based on the amount of time you spent logged off. Stupid concept. Also that game lets you stay logged in fishing all night, and you get exp from fishing. Wanna add that too? Stupid. You work, you get sp.

A better idea would be for them to actually make crafting fun and less of a tedious button-smash.

It reminds me of WoW's "rested experience" system but OP said it auto-leveled. At least in WoW you have *to do* something to gain XP to use the rested state.

In case you haven't played WoW, rested experience is a bonus XP multiplier given when the player spends time logged off in cities or inns. There's a cap to the amount of bonus XP awarded.

Well I would rather smash standard than pull up a window that does everything for me like most games. Get a ps2 controller, get a usb to ps2 controller, download xpadder (not needed for ffxiv, but needed for plan), w/ xpadder set turbo button. I don't do this, but I saw someone on youtube do it, they set turbo on standard lol, and it does it for them.

Um i like crafting till now i dont find it boring. I dont think you should get any free sp while logged, why do i play when i can get the levels by not playing? o.o

And no Perfect World doesnt give xp when not logged in id totaly noticed that. XD
Jade Dynasty does have a botting option, you just turn that bot thing on, tell it when to use pots and go do smth else. Horrible! x.X
WoW's rested xp is a pain! You level so fast you dont even have the chance to do all quests to enjoy the Storyline. The less time you have to play the worse it gets. :(

I'm just Weaver lv 14 or so but i dont feel it is slow at all. There are other things that bug me but it is far from boring. Even a little to exciting when i start biting into my table when i see 70% progress and 30 durability on a craft which is slightly above my level.
At 85% and 13 durability or so im starting to come very close to a heart attack. And ye its great its more active then other crafting systems which are just plain boring or plain frustrating, sometimes both. :3

Can't have offline progress. People will make bots for that within 2 weeks of its inception, and with no way to prove you didn't craft all that stuff while offline there's no way to enforce any game rules.

Edit: ugh tired, read the thread entirely wrong so the above is irrelevant.
Still can't have automatic progress. Why even have levels at all then?