no master loot for raids?

There does not seem to be master loot option for raids. I was unable to group in beta 4 error 90k so I could not check that. But based on the live letter it would seem that there is not.

Can anyone confirm this.
If this is true, I must say this is a bad idea. To coordinate who should need/greed or pass inside a guild group could be a PITA. While I think most guild mates will be honest and fair with regards to rolling, there will be those that won't be. Within most guilds there is a trial rank of some sort that has loot rolling restrictions for raids. In addition mistakes happen and people miss click. With master loot this is not a problem.
I hope there is a system in place that will/can switch loot to the proper character.

EDIT: I could not post until I switched my primary class to lancer, this was silly as I am a level 32 lancer 31 glad regardless if I select arcanist as my main class.

Options would be great. Especially if you start a party then take it to duty finder. As it stands now my FC only groups can't even use 'Need' as our idea of fair gear distribution doesn't follow SE's. Not even close. Regardless we are stuck with the game dealing with it.

If I were to venture a guess and take past responses in to account, Yoshi would say something along the lines of 'it would cause too much stress / confusion'. Or 'PS3 icon memory limitations'.

it seems like an antiquated concept since there is a way now to disburse gear to those that need it and restrict it to those that do not. For those of you who played older MMO, gear would simply drop and everyone would lot on them willy nilly. even before that, you could just loot the lewt and run...(ninja looting).

the only reason i can see this being implemented, or even being needed, is if you did large raids, and gave priority to certain member over others who gets to even lot on the gear. to me, that is such an old concept and counter productive. with class:gear restriction, i don't see a need for this mechanic since only those who can use the item can lot on them as need comes before greed.

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Originally Posted by Koldhara

the only reason i can see this being implemented, or even being needed, is if you did large raids, and gave priority to certain member over others who gets to even lot on the gear. to me, that is such an old concept and counter productive. with class:gear restriction, i don't see a need for this mechanic since only those who can use the item can lot on them as need comes before greed.

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This may be antiquated in some ways but there isn't a much better way to handle gear on a large scale where there are multiple people going after the same pieces. Just because you cannot equip it at the time of the dungeon does not mean that you cannot wear or even use the gear. For instance, you may want a whitemage to fill out your party, so someone that normally plays dragoon goes along for the ride as a whm. Then a great piece drops for drg but since that player is on whm, they cannot "need" it even though they really may need it.

Don't worry about it, we don't have raids until 2.1 so no need for a master looter option atm. They will probably add it at that time.

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Originally Posted by Reika

Don't worry about it, we don't have raids until 2.1 so no need for a master looter option atm. They will probably add it at that time.

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CT gear is ilvl 80 (although it has been held back), LoB is ilvl 90 (aka Allagan)

+1 for master loot, I don't mind using need before greed personally, but can understand why those who run DPK style points system would want it.

It also seems that the top end gear is purchased from vendors via tokens, there is nothing to say we even need to loot on gear in LoB :S

if they add master loot, aka 'quartermaster' later, that's fine, i won't be in those parties.

with the way the system is set up there is absolutely no reason to play on a class or job that i do not want to use or don't enjoy. none.

if i know i want a specific piece of gear for a specific class or job, that's the class or job i enter the instance with.

the gear drops? cool. i get lucky on my roll for it? cool. if i don't get it? i'm pretty sure i'll have another shot at getting the gear; unless the devs take the instance away and i can't do it anymore—which is probably...highly unlikely.

if you're a supporter of DKP and other associated hierarchies? i'm not against it, i just don't see any need for it, beyond imposing unnecessary formality and control on top of a system that already handles loot distribution quite well.

see all my fellow zombies on Balmung tomorrow morning.

AVALANCHE!

when raids comes out, then they will probably add ML

If there is no master loot then i wont be raiding with random groups.

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Originally Posted by Sheeoni

This may be antiquated in some ways but there isn't a much better way to handle gear on a large scale where there are multiple people going after the same pieces. Just because you cannot equip it at the time of the dungeon does not mean that you cannot wear or even use the gear. For instance, you may want a whitemage to fill out your party, so someone that normally plays dragoon goes along for the ride as a whm. Then a great piece drops for drg but since that player is on whm, they cannot "need" it even though they really may need it.

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three things:

1: token based gear acquisition needs no system like this.
2: people dungeon and duty find with classes they want stuff for, they are restricted for looting for "alt" classes they may not even have leveled (hence the loot:class restriction)
3: situation where the QM does something different or undesirable to the rest. no one wants that, even if it happens once.

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Originally Posted by KidKudzi

If there is no master loot then i wont be raiding with random groups.

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stealth 4th thing: "random people raiding" scheme is AKA Duty finder.

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Originally Posted by teknotaz

when raids comes out, then they will probably add ML

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LoB is classed as end game raid content, it may only be 8 man but I believe they said it is designed to be above CT in terms of difficultly.

I don't think the amount of people in an instance matter its what loot drops IMO.

It also bothers me that there is no /roll command in the game. It is such a small but important quality of life thing. Koldhara mentioned the token system. There will still be regular item drops right?

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Originally Posted by Altoholic

There will still be regular item drops right?

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I think people will be annoyed if there isn't, but you never know with this dev team lol.

Free Companies need Master Looter. 24 people cant always play there main class. Free Companies don't all use systems that /random. /random is just that random and does not account for time and effort that most good Free Companies will include in the weight of the rolls. Some items might go straight to the Free Company chest and used when needed at a later date. People make mistakes all the time and miss click on non trade able gear. I agree no master looter for duty finder events but for private parties and raids it would be very useful.

As a Linkshell leader from FFXI (Full Dynamis clears) having control over looting from an organizational standpoint is absolutely key. When running raids with 32+ people things get hectic, and when that rare piece of loot drops? More so.

To have the OPTION of a master loot system, simply removes the stress of a ninja looter. You will know where you stand when you enter and have the option not to participate in a group that would like to decide the gear priorities. It is a simple system, and a choice players and leaders should have. The game has catered very much so to appealing to a casual gamer base, and that's entirely fine. But if I want to play on a level that is a little more organized than the duty finder with need/greed, me and my group should have the ability.

Master looter (and a few more variations) is mostly for those players in organized, long-standing, and usually fairly large guilds - excuse me, FC. In casual situations (like duty finder), I'm happy enough with the current "Need Before Greed" method.

Go read on the server specific forum pages some of the "hardcore" guilds recruiting members. A large % of those will say "we use blah blah loot system" - and it's not the built in one. Lots of reasons that the default one won't work which I won't go into. That subject could be a doctoral thesis paper, lol.

Also, as easy way to explain: How many other MMOs have Master Looter? Vanguard and Runes of Magic definitely did. I *think* WoW did, but I haven't played that in like 8 years. D&D Online, I can't remember. Original Everquest back in 2005 did not - but c'mon, that was 15 years ago EQ started. Anyone can name a top-tier MMO with party loot and NOT have master looter or something similar? Besides FF14.

What is going to happen is that FCs will try to do their system anyway. This means that whoever is decided using the other method will be told to press Need/Greed and everyone else told to press Pass. Then you have that one guy that presses Need to ninja loot. Or goes "omg, I pressed the wrong button!!!". Either way, built in loot system is getting in the way.

PS. It's early in the game and quite possible that something I don't know will matter. If all gear is token based, or if freely tradable, or if Master Looter-like option is there hidden somewhere... then the above could change.

i dont understand why the current system cant facilitate distributing, say, a non-whm gear to a whm just because the player who needs it is not a whm. if there is a common understanding that the aforementioned whm deserves it, everyone else could just pass it?