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08-23-2013, 03:07 AM
Selyndria

Summoner Info

I've read in a couple places that SMN will be unlockable when the service starts. Asside from ACN 30, what other class must be leveled to unlock SMN? I played SMN for years in FFXI and I was so excited when I heard it was coming in FFXIV 2.0. Anyone have info?
08-23-2013, 03:10 AM
Urthdigger

No information has been released so far. We'll find out in 2 days.
08-23-2013, 03:12 AM
Tonytaru-Castiel

The information has already been released. Its 30ACN/15THM for SMN and 30ACN/15CNJ for SCH. I dont have the link but yoshi himself told us this information. The other job requirements are speculation however as they have no been confirmed.
08-23-2013, 03:15 AM
elreed

It is most likely that you will need Thaumaturge and conjurer leveled at least to lvl 15 to unlock SCH or SMN
08-23-2013, 03:15 AM
Kuraikoto

I'm still waiting to see if SMN can use its pets to Off-tank in some dungeons. If so, I may have to level that when I'm not working on WAR.
08-23-2013, 03:57 AM
Tremere

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Originally Posted by Kuraikoto

I'm still waiting to see if SMN can use its pets to Off-tank in some dungeons. If so, I may have to level that when I'm not working on WAR.

Yeah, they can. And they're good at it. I tanked Copper Bell Mines boss, Tam-Tara, and Sastasha bosses with Super-Carby.

Also, I saw a post in another thread about how Carbuncle and Garuda will be useless as Ifrit will be the premier damage dealing pet. I think all the pets are situational. Carbuncle and Garuda are ranged attacking pets. Ifrit is a Melee Pet. There are going to be instances where Ranged > Melee.

So far I'm really enjoying Arcanist, both in its damage capabilities and in its versatility. It's going to be interesting to see how Scholar and Summoner play out. I'm excited. :D

Edit: It's speculation that Titan will be the tanky pet for SMN.
08-23-2013, 04:10 AM
AridElf

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Originally Posted by Tremere

Edit: It's speculation that Titan will be the tanky pet for SMN.

I'm almost certain Yoshi told us it is a tank pet.
08-23-2013, 04:19 AM
Selyndria

Thanks all, already have thm to 50 so its just time to focus on ACN. Can't wait for Saturday morning :) This has all been such a long time coming.
08-23-2013, 05:05 AM
itsExis

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Originally Posted by Tremere

Yeah, they can. And they're good at it. I tanked Copper Bell Mines boss, Tam-Tara, and Sastasha bosses with Super-Carby.

I can vouch for this as well. I had a run with a bad tank and switched to my lemon flavor and he held his.
08-23-2013, 05:12 AM
Majiek

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Originally Posted by AridElf

I'm almost certain Yoshi told us it is a tank pet.

Carby is a decent tank at low levels, and although it's usually not a good practice to draw conclusions from low level experiences I'm wishful that SMN will not only be able to help off tank in certain occasions which will add that much more utility to SMN but be a strong solo class as a result of their pet's tanking capability (Titan at least). Simply the ability to be able to heal your pets in FFXIV vs. FFXI is a huge difference that lends to their survivability.
08-23-2013, 06:01 AM
AridElf

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Originally Posted by Majiek

Carby is a decent tank at low levels, and although it's usually not a good practice to draw conclusions from low level experiences I'm wishful that SMN will not only be able to help off tank in certain occasions which will add that much more utility to SMN but be a strong solo class as a result of their pet's tanking capability (Titan at least). Simply the ability to be able to heal your pets in FFXIV vs. FFXI is a huge difference that lends to their survivability.

Here is where Yoshi himself states Titan Egi's role in Live letter VIII

http://i44.tinypic.com/2elsfax.png
08-23-2013, 06:12 AM
Dox

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Originally Posted by elreed

It is most likely that you will need Thaumaturge and conjurer leveled at least to lvl 15 to unlock SCH or SMN

I hope so. During Open Beta I did my best to get ready to unlock Summoner! ;)
08-23-2013, 06:50 AM
Stevie100

summoner is looking to be a great all rounder class, which is a great thing. for example, during the one dunegon I managed to do during phase 4 our tank dropped. so I took over as tank for the boss fight... and topaz did it like a boss
08-23-2013, 07:00 AM
Xiozen

I see that Ramuh, Leviathan, Shiva are probably being added soon as summoned pets... any chance we can round it out w/ Diablos?
08-23-2013, 07:03 AM
HaunteR

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Originally Posted by Tonytaru-Castiel

The information has already been released. Its 30ACN/15THM for SMN and 30ACN/15CNJ for SCH. I dont have the link but yoshi himself told us this information. The other job requirements are speculation however as they have no been confirmed.

Thanks that's good to know!
08-23-2013, 07:34 AM
Akava

Anyone know how many different summons, Summoner gets? I haven't found any info on that.
08-23-2013, 07:41 AM
wolf_paw

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Originally Posted by Majiek

Simply the ability to be able to heal your pets in FFXIV vs. FFXI is a huge difference that lends to their survivability.

Sustain has been incredibly helpful. Especially with Topaz and solo quests. :D
08-23-2013, 07:45 AM
chishi

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Originally Posted by Akava

Anyone know how many different summons, Summoner gets? I haven't found any info on that.

Just the three for now it looks like.

I like the idea of summoner being able to fill the role of off-tank. Whether for tanking adds during a fight or pulling adds to the main tank, I think it's an interesting role to have for a caster. In the first couple dungeons, I was able to use super carbuncle for just that (and if the tank died). The casting time isn't terrible compared to a dead healer due to adds, and later in the game positioning may be important enough that the tank won't be able to turn a certain mob.
08-23-2013, 08:45 AM
Ruanark

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Originally Posted by Akava

Anyone know how many different summons, Summoner gets? I haven't found any info on that.

As they raise the level cap/come out with more expansions, Shiva, Ramuh, & Leviathan Egis are supposed to be added. What they do, who knows, but so far, Egis share several moves with their XI counterparts.
For example, Shiva Egi may know Sleepga, Leviathan Egi may know Spring Water (AoE Cure + Esuna), and Ramuh Egi... idk Lightning Armor (AoE Shock Spikes, lightning dmg + chance of stun when you get hit), Rolling Thunder (AoE Enthunder), or maybe Shocking Squall (I forgot the name, but it's AoE Stun). Atm it seems Garuda Egi = caster DPS pet (similar to Emerald 'buncle), Ifrit Egi = melee DPS pet, and we already know Titan Egi = Topaz 2.0 (Makes sense, Emerald = Green, Garuda = Green, Topaz = Yellow, Titan = Yellow).
08-23-2013, 08:51 AM
Lumina_Mist

wasn't mentioned that by reaching ACN lvl 50 you unlock both SMN and SCH? now i'm confused
08-23-2013, 08:57 AM
Ruanark

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Originally Posted by Lumina_Mist

wasn't mentioned that by reaching ACN lvl 50 you unlock both SMN and SCH? now i'm confused

No, I think you misread whatever said that. What happens is that BOTH SMN and SCH's lvls are dependent on your ACN lvl. So if you lvl ACN to 45 with SMN unlocked, SMN will be 45 when you equip the soul. If you swap to the SCH soul, the SCH will be lv45. Jobs do not have exp bars of their own, only the main class their tied too. (so SMN doesn't gain extra lvls from THM and SCH doesn't gain lvls from CNJ, only ACN for both)

Edit: To unlock SMN, you need THM at lv15. To unlock SCH, you need CNJ at 15. In addition, ACN must be 30+ and for each job, you have to do a quest to gain the Job Soul. After that, you can freely change jobs/classes between SMN/SCH/ACN by equipping/unequipping souls while on ACN.
08-23-2013, 09:19 AM
Tremere

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Originally Posted by Ruanark

No, I think you misread whatever said that. What happens is that BOTH SMN and SCH's lvls are dependent on your ACN lvl. So if you lvl ACN to 45 with SMN unlocked, SMN will be 45 when you equip the soul. If you swap to the SCH soul, the SCH will be lv45. Jobs do not have exp bars of their own, only the main class their tied too. (so SMN doesn't gain extra lvls from THM and SCH doesn't gain lvls from CNJ, only ACN for both)

Edit: To unlock SMN, you need THM at lv15. To unlock SCH, you need CNJ at 15. In addition, ACN must be 30+ and for each job, you have to do a quest to gain the Job Soul. After that, you can freely change jobs/classes between SMN/SCH/ACN by equipping/unequipping souls while on ACN.

I still haven't seen any official word on this. I'd like to see a source. I mean, that would be the obvious choices and those are what I leveled, but I'd like some sort of official statement.
08-23-2013, 09:36 AM
WildBorr

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Originally Posted by Xiozen

I see that Ramuh, Leviathan, Shiva are probably being added soon as summoned pets... any chance we can round it out w/ Diablos?

Forget Diabolos, I want Fenrir!
08-23-2013, 10:03 AM
wolf_paw

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Originally Posted by WildBorr

Forget Diabolos, I want Fenrir!

AMEN! Fenrir would be awesome with so AoE Buffs/DeBuffs
08-23-2013, 10:04 AM
Waltbjr

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Originally Posted by Kuraikoto

I'm still waiting to see if SMN can use its pets to Off-tank in some dungeons. If so, I may have to level that when I'm not working on WAR.

During phase 4 some friends and I three manned Tam Tara and we were all ANC and all used topaz Carby after I healer quit. We had a blast and I tanked every boss and Carby kept hate really well
08-23-2013, 10:19 AM
Koldhara

i somehow think carby is a bit OP when it comes to tanking. granted the initial three dungeons are fairly easy, it remains to be seen how it can perform in the other ones. as an off tank, its probably likely but i dont imagine it will be nearly as easy or efficient as a non pet off tanker.
08-23-2013, 10:32 AM
MalZhen

Great I should be all set for summoner after a few more lvls
08-23-2013, 11:56 AM
chishi

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Originally Posted by Koldhara

i somehow think carby is a bit OP when it comes to tanking. granted the initial three dungeons are fairly easy, it remains to be seen how it can perform in the other ones. as an off tank, its probably likely but i dont imagine it will be nearly as easy or efficient as a non pet off tanker.

Agreed. The defensive carbuncle seems a bit over-tuned for the lower levels (having almost twice the health of tanks), but I doubt it'll be like this past 30ish. Titan egi may have a similar honeymoon period after unlocking summoner, but I doubt we'd see much use for them beyond tanking little adds or for brief moments in the later game. That being said, I'd be really happy to see even that much of a off-tanking role for SMN.

As for additional egi, I'd be interested as to how they'd be implemented. Additional DPS/Tank/RDPS egi? Or would it be something different like having Leviathan egi be a support/healing type which could be helpful in later game situations.
08-23-2013, 12:29 PM
Janeya_Jabuka

I too am curious to see a source for having a second class to lv 15 in order to get SMN or SCH just because I apparently missed it, lol and here I thought I was up to date on the latest ACN/ SMN info! So if anyone could link me, I would greatly appreciate it! <3
08-23-2013, 08:16 PM
Blitzace

God these egi's are awefully small ...

OT - Arcanist is alot of fun and with Topaz Carbuncle, atleast at lower levels. Is a better tank then most players if the ARC knows how to play.
08-23-2013, 10:54 PM
hamsteak

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Originally Posted by chishi

As for additional egi, I'd be interested as to how they'd be implemented. Additional DPS/Tank/RDPS egi? Or would it be something different like having Leviathan egi be a support/healing type which could be helpful in later game situations.

that would go too much into scholar territory (who have a support fairy and a healer fairy)

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Originally Posted by EdenArchangel

Actually... summoner has a 300 cure potency + 100 potency regen fairy, and a 300 cure potency + silence enemy fairy. Plenty of room for support egis.

those are the scholar pets, not summoner pets
08-23-2013, 11:01 PM
Bez

Now I haven't played ACN in this game yet, but you all make me want to play it. In FFXI I was always obsessed with pet jobs, I loved them because it was like having your own partner when ever you didn't have your friends to play with. Hearing that they've improved on the the SMN job and made it better is getting my really excited to see it for myself. I'm glad to see that they have made FFXIV in't a great game.
08-24-2013, 04:25 AM
damianfox

How important is pet positioning to playing ARC/SMN?

I was immediately interested in the class, but I am concerned about my ability to micromanage the pet.

As stylish as the summoners are, I might be better off just nuking things with BM if I have a hard time multitasking.
08-24-2013, 04:31 AM
EdenArchangel

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Originally Posted by hamsteak

that would go too much into scholar territory (who have a support fairy and a healer fairy)

Actually... summoner has a 300 cure potency + 100 potency regen fairy, and a 300 cure potency + silence enemy fairy. Plenty of room for support egis.
08-24-2013, 05:39 AM
Hanthan

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Originally Posted by Ruanark

No, I think you misread whatever said that. What happens is that BOTH SMN and SCH's lvls are dependent on your ACN lvl. So if you lvl ACN to 45 with SMN unlocked, SMN will be 45 when you equip the soul. If you swap to the SCH soul, the SCH will be lv45. Jobs do not have exp bars of their own, only the main class their tied too. (so SMN doesn't gain extra lvls from THM and SCH doesn't gain lvls from CNJ, only ACN for both)

Edit: To unlock SMN, you need THM at lv15. To unlock SCH, you need CNJ at 15. In addition, ACN must be 30+ and for each job, you have to do a quest to gain the Job Soul. After that, you can freely change jobs/classes between SMN/SCH/ACN by equipping/unequipping souls while on ACN.

Thank you so much for this post. It clears up a lot of confusion for me. Is there a SE generated resource that describes this in more detail? If I am in the SMN or SCH job, do I still gain EXP for the ACN class?
08-24-2013, 05:48 AM
Hanthan

Is there any benefit to not using the jobs? In other words, are there situations where and arcanist is better than a summoner or a scholar? Are there reasons why I would NOT choose a job?
08-24-2013, 06:21 AM
Lemonaid

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Originally Posted by Hanthan

Is there any benefit to not using the jobs? In other words, are there situations where and arcanist is better than a summoner or a scholar? Are there reasons why I would NOT choose a job?

Jobs are more like a proficiency class, so u can say that classes are pretty general and can be used while solo, so u have more skills to add, Jobs are meant to fill a specific Role, so you'll want to change to them on group play.
08-24-2013, 09:12 AM
Koldhara

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Originally Posted by damianfox

How important is pet positioning to playing ARC/SMN?

I was immediately interested in the class, but I am concerned about my ability to micromanage the pet.

As stylish as the summoners are, I might be better off just nuking things with BM if I have a hard time multitasking.

generally when pets do not have agro with a mob, they fight from the back. its a pretty standard setup since most mobs perform frontal attacks that would damage it. i don't remember seeing this mechanic though, so if there isnt one, it should be incorporated. a pet class needs to be able to keep its pet alive through the fight. dying to massive AOE is a problem that at least in WoW has been addressed since pet classes loose almost near half if not more of their effectiveness when their pets die, and reviving them is a significant reduction in dps.
08-24-2013, 10:37 AM
Kuraikoto

Well thanks for the replies. I'll likely go SMN after I get WAR geared up. I think it will be really exciting if it can tank/off-tank at the level 50 content plus I tend to like pet classes when I can't play a Nin/Sam type class.

P.S. Alexander eggi would be amazing... SMN w/ Alexander + DRG = dead Bahamut ^_^
08-24-2013, 11:23 AM
SoulbrothaColeman

I can't wait for Summoner. I played it on FFXI as well. So far I like Arcanist too. Too bad I got stuck at lvl 12 by that Error 90000 bug.

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