[DEV] Interface options A & B

I know how FFXIV's interface was designed for PS3... well at least it was designed to make it playable on the PS3.

For PC users tho' the interface is far from being good. I understand it is difficult for the developers to come up with an interface that works well from both PS3 and PC but i was thinking that they don't have to.

What if they made 2 interfaces? One optimized for PC users, where you have multiple windows open at the same time. Wider action bar, additional action bars etc... and PS3 can have the current UI.

The idea is to make it an option in the settings for both interfaces. Option A would be the current one and Option B a UI optimized for PC users. Both PS3 and PC users can chose between the two options.

Has been said many times that PC and PS3 should have separate UI's of course there are people who will moan that they want even playing field and that one may give another an advantage.

Of course my reply to that would be separate servers for PS3 and PC players :P

We definitely do not need separate servers for PS3 and PC. Separating an already small community will only hurt the game. If PS3 or PC users want to get butthurt and complain about their UIs being different then let them, doesn't bother me at all. It doesn't change the fact that both communities will need each other.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Has been said many times that PC and PS3 should have separate UI's of course there are people who will moan that they want even playing field and that one may give another an advantage.

Of course my reply to that would be separate servers for PS3 and PC players :P

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I already feel a keyboard gives an advantage over a controller, even with the current UI.

Yes, they should have 2 type UI

And the 3rd option is the third party UI support

somebody might anti your idea because of they're using gamepad and don't want keyboard-mouse users play better than them

I use a gamepad. I do not feel comfortable at all player Square Enix games with a mouse and keyboard.

Oh no, someone has a distinct "advantage" over you because their preferred controller is different than yours! It's the end of the world!

People have different preferences, hell we already have 3 options (2 of which would certainly work with PS3).

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

I use a gamepad. I do not feel comfortable at all player Square Enix games with a mouse and keyboard.

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That's the whole point, because they aren't developed with mouse and keyboard in mind. :S

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And the 3rd option is the third party UI support

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Totally agree with this, although there would be so many butthurt players over this, SE would never allow it either due to hacks and cheating.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Has been said many times that PC and PS3 should have separate UI's of course there are people who will moan that they want even playing field and that one may give another an advantage.

Of course my reply to that would be separate servers for PS3 and PC players :P

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wow you want "Screw that just give us regional servers already !" and Separate servers for ps3 and pc? so pretty much it would cut down the game by more then 50% and you pretty much have 2worlds for NA one for PC and one for ps3 lol

It's a bad idea from the beginning for whoever want to play MMO with console or gamepad...

Both options would be available to PS3 and PC. You can play with a controller on PC so you may chose the PS3 UI and on PS3 if you can add a mouse/keyboard then you may chose a PC UI.

It all depends on the play style. PS3 users would use more macros then PC users do with their UI. That's how i see it.

I want a fourth UI option that plays the game for me, so I can chat in my linkshell all night while ranking up....

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Originally Posted by Evangela

It's a bad idea from the beginning for whoever want to play MMO with console or gamepad...

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Wow, guess I'm full of bad ideas then. I've used a gamepad since the beginning with minimal problems. Honestly for a while it beat the pants off of mouse/keyboard.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Wow, guess I'm full of bad ideas then. I've used a gamepad since the beginning with minimal problems. Honestly for a while it beat the pants off of mouse/keyboard.

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i play FFXI with keyboard and mouse for 5+years when i got a controller for my pc i never look back. It going cost 16-19$ to buy a PC controller if players hate the keyboard / mouse layout then buy a controller.

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Originally Posted by JakeRoon

I want a fourth UI option that plays the game for me, so I can chat in my linkshell all night while ranking up....

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We got that already, it's called a bot. :)

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

wow you want "Screw that just give us regional servers already !" and Separate servers for ps3 and pc? so pretty much it would cut down the game by more then 50% and you pretty much have 2worlds for NA one for PC and one for ps3 lol

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Well other games do it just fine, I can't help it if SE suck at making games dude lol

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Originally Posted by Evangela

It's a bad idea from the beginning for whoever want to play MMO with console or gamepad...

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Well, apparently SE should't target their main audience then
(in japan computer gaming it's way lower then console)

I've also used a game pad since day 1 (played ffxi with one for years as well); had little to no issues; other than the targeting system; which is beyond all help at the moment.

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

Well, apparently SE should't target their main audience then
(in japan computer gaming it's way lower then console)

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Lets not fool ourselves here, their main audience are MMO players not Final Fantasy Players, because this game is anything but Final Fantasy, and most "single player gamers" recoil at the words MMO or pay to play.

And you can see that this is quickly becoming a "well I play with controller and I'm fine, so screw everyone else" thread.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

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And you can see that this is quickly becoming a "well I play with controller and I'm fine, so screw everyone else" thread.

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Hey use soap it stops infections!

NO I NEVER USED SOAP BEFORE AND I AM NOT GOING TO USE SOAP NOW!!!!

But...it's way better, I mean it's just cleaner and help the community and everything...

NO WAI SOAP is FOR SISSIES!

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Hey you know you should use a car instead of a horse, it's way faster as you can stay dry in the rain, and all sort of stuff....

NO WAI I USED A HORSE for ALL MY LIFE I am not Going to use a CAR!

But, you can get from Austin to Dallas in like three hours with a car.....

FORGET THAT, ONLY LAMO's do that! REAL travlers camp it OUT FOR THREE days ON Horseback!

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I am teasing, I agree players should be able to use what is most comfortable for them if it's feasible, but if I was a buinsess making games, I'd hedge my bet spend the money on the controller audience, it's a safer bet.

If I had the time and money to do both well, I'd go for it.

I know there are some ppl out there that really love VHS tapes, and VCR's too.....but I would not start a business making products for them.

I started beta using the keyboard and mouse but found it...odd would be the word. It didn't feel as natural as the other MMO's (not saying I WANT this to be another general MMO). The way the character moves, mapped keys, the action bar, ect. all very odd. Picked up a game pad and everything kinda fell in to place and seemed natural. I would really, and I mean REALLY, like to see a separate UI for the K&M. I shouldn't have to go buy a controller to play a COMPUTER game, especially after paying for a CE copy. If you are going to release a cross-platform game for the PC first, then put in a PC UI to begin with, then worry about the game pad UI later. Just sayin'....

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Originally Posted by TheOneAndOnlyStogie

I started beta using the keyboard and mouse but found it...odd would be the word. It didn't feel as natural as the other MMO's (not saying I WANT this to be another general MMO). The way the character moves, mapped keys, the action bar, ect. all very odd. Picked up a game pad and everything kinda fell in to place and seemed natural. I would really, and I mean REALLY, like to see a separate UI for the K&M. I shouldn't have to go buy a controller to play a COMPUTER game, especially after paying for a CE copy. If you are going to release a cross-platform game for the PC first, then put in a PC UI to begin with, then worry about the game pad UI later. Just sayin'....

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That is exactly what im thinking.


FFXIV is not a PS3 exclusive with a PC hacked port or something... It is an official PC game as much as it will be a PS3 game. So why should we have to bare with a UI designed with PS3 in mind? Why should i buy a controller when i wanna play on PC?

I don't buy the a kb/mouse UI would give an unfair advantage. It is so not true. And if they made separate UI for PC and PS3 they could optimize the PS3 interface even more so no advantage anywhere here.

I'm a controller user and was hoping for a UI designed for a controller as the action bar is a nightmare to use and the equipment screen layout is clearly designed for mouse users as there's no grid structure making it a struggle to navigate it with a d-pad.

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Originally Posted by Seif

I'm a controller user and was hoping for a UI designed for a controller as the action bar is a nightmare to use and the equipment screen layout is clearly designed for mouse users as there's no grid structure making it a struggle to navigate it with a d-pad.

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The problem is the UI is mainly designed for PS3 but at the same time they tried to make it work for PC as well.... It's trying to mix both but i don't think that will ever be possible... Even if they do improve it, it will never be as good as if they had separate UI or UI options.

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Originally Posted by Seif

I'm a controller user and was hoping for a UI designed for a controller as the action bar is a nightmare to use and the equipment screen layout is clearly designed for mouse users as there's no grid structure making it a struggle to navigate it with a d-pad.

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If it was truly designed for mouse though we would have drag and drop icons and equip via right click, so neither side is gaining from this.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

Yes, they should have 2 type UI

And the 3rd option is the third party UI support

somebody might anti your idea because of they're using gamepad and don't want keyboard-mouse users play better than them

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That's more a symptom of another problem that I doubt they will look at: Character movement as is doesn't seem to be smooth enough for keyboard+mouse to be on par with a gamepad.